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Post by skyshadow5 on Tue 16 Dec 2014 - 21:06

Looking at just the Spec Cups so far (I'll analyse the other series later), FM4 still gets far better attendance than FM5, so why is it not being officially supported?



The low figures for FM4 Cup 3 must be down to car choice because the numbers jump straight back up again for the next cup.
FM5 Cup 4 only once in double figures; really???
FM5 Cup 5, maximum of 7, seriously???

FM4 is still more popular and should be fully supported by the TORA staff until Project Cars is actually released and proven to be a success.

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Re: Why are TORA staff so insistent on dumping FM4 when the numbers don't stack up for FM5?

Post by Standaman94 on Tue 16 Dec 2014 - 21:15

We know. And FM4 it is still officially supported, there are more things coming Smile.






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Re: Why are TORA staff so insistent on dumping FM4 when the numbers don't stack up for FM5?

Post by ATR DAN on Tue 16 Dec 2014 - 21:20

Watch this space! There will be more FM4 series in store for you chaps so not to worry. Smile Smile

It's kind of hard to explain the low numbers for our next gen championships but I suppose that over time, the numbers will improve. Those of you whom are currently on the 360 will eventually switch. But one area which really doesn't help is the lack of features on FM5. We've been really disappointed thus far with the racing games that have been produced for the XBOX One but we do highly anticipate that Project CARS will set the records straight.
But for the time being, as long as it's still popular, we shall be continuing to provide you all with FM4 events.

So really, it's out of our control. We've tried our upmost to provide the community with events on FM5. And will be continuing to do so but sometmes, these things are out of our control. We can't force people to play a game that they hate. And that's a fair point. And to be honest, I don't think the numbers have just been affecting TORA. I'm pretty sure that other racing communities have been suffering with the same problem as well.








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Re: Why are TORA staff so insistent on dumping FM4 when the numbers don't stack up for FM5?

Post by skyshadow5 on Tue 16 Dec 2014 - 21:33

@Standaman94
If FM4 is being supported why was it recently announced that there was no longer any official stewarding for FM4?

@ATR DAN
I agree that other places & not just TORA is suffering from the lack of features in FM5 that league racing requires. For all intense and purposes FM5 is crap as far as racing leagues go with respect to the ease of use i.e. sharing team liveries and tunes to name but two features.

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Re: Why are TORA staff so insistent on dumping FM4 when the numbers don't stack up for FM5?

Post by Standaman94 on Tue 16 Dec 2014 - 21:44

MVG skyshadow5 wrote:@Standaman94
If FM4 is being supported why was it recently announced that there was no longer any official stewarding for FM4?
Because of a lack of FM4 stewards, we can't commit to stewarding it at the level we were. We have asked for more FM4 based members to step up but we have had little response. I'd suggest talking to FranchittiFan about this as he is head steward and made the call on the matter himself.






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Re: Why are TORA staff so insistent on dumping FM4 when the numbers don't stack up for FM5?

Post by jgroves1996 on Tue 16 Dec 2014 - 21:46

I'm looking forward to see what events are on the horizon, but there have been plenty of people offer their services as stewards and have been refused in the past because they weren't needed and instead they wanted Forza 5 stewards :S

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Re: Why are TORA staff so insistent on dumping FM4 when the numbers don't stack up for FM5?

Post by Standaman94 on Tue 16 Dec 2014 - 21:52

jgroves1996 wrote:I'm looking forward to see what events are on the horizon, but there have been plenty of people offer their services as stewards and have been refused in the past because they weren't needed and instead they wanted Forza 5 stewards :S
True... That was earlier in the year when for some reason there was a huge demand for Forza 5 stuff and we couldn't cope. Now it seems to have flipped, as the old FM4 stewards etc leave, essentially leaving us needing to top up that metaphorical tank.

As the new stuff comes around I suppose we'll see where we stand at the time and act accordingly on that.






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Re: Why are TORA staff so insistent on dumping FM4 when the numbers don't stack up for FM5?

Post by The British 1st on Tue 16 Dec 2014 - 21:57

[quote="ATR DAN"]Watch this space! There will be more FM4 series in store for you chaps so not to worry. Smile Smile

But... how soon will this happen ? as project cars will come out on 20 March 2015. and normally TORA championships are every other week.... so to get a good size championship in... it would have to start in the first 2 weeks of January.

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Re: Why are TORA staff so insistent on dumping FM4 when the numbers don't stack up for FM5?

Post by Standaman94 on Tue 16 Dec 2014 - 22:00

The British 1st wrote:

But... how soon will this happen ? as project cars will come out on 20 March 2015. and normally TORA championships are every other week.... so to get a good size championship in... it would have to start in the first 2 weeks of January.
That's assuming we abandon Forza as soon as pCARS comes out, which we won't do.






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Re: Why are TORA staff so insistent on dumping FM4 when the numbers don't stack up for FM5?

Post by skyshadow5 on Tue 16 Dec 2014 - 22:05

Standaman94 wrote:
jgroves1996 wrote:I'm looking forward to see what events are on the horizon, but there have been plenty of people offer their services as stewards and have been refused in the past because they weren't needed and instead they wanted Forza 5 stewards :S
True... That was earlier in the year when for some reason there was a huge demand for Forza 5 stuff and we couldn't cope. Now it seems to have flipped, as the old FM4 stewards etc leave, essentially leaving us needing to top up that metaphorical tank.

As the new stuff comes around I suppose we'll see where we stand at the time and act accordingly on that.

So do I take it from this dialogue that the lack of participants in FM5 events means that FM5 does not need as many stewards as at first thought? If this is the case can some of these FM5 stewards who also still own an Xbox 360 and FM4 re-apply their services back on FM4?

And thank you btw Stan and Dan for taking the time to answer, it is appreciated.

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Re: Why are TORA staff so insistent on dumping FM4 when the numbers don't stack up for FM5?

Post by Standaman94 on Tue 16 Dec 2014 - 22:14

MVG skyshadow5 wrote:
Standaman94 wrote:
jgroves1996 wrote:I'm looking forward to see what events are on the horizon, but there have been plenty of people offer their services as stewards and have been refused in the past because they weren't needed and instead they wanted Forza 5 stewards :S
True... That was earlier in the year when for some reason there was a huge demand for Forza 5 stuff and we couldn't cope. Now it seems to have flipped, as the old FM4 stewards etc leave, essentially leaving us needing to top up that metaphorical tank.

As the new stuff comes around I suppose we'll see where we stand at the time and act accordingly on that.

So do I take it from this dialogue that the lack of participants in FM5 events means that FM5 does not need as many stewards as at first thought? If this is the case can some of these FM5 stewards who also still own an Xbox 360 and FM4 re-apply their services back on FM4?

And thank you btw Stan and Dan for taking the time to answer, it is appreciated.

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Maybe... Again, that's a question for FranchittiFan really.

No probs Wink






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Post by FranchittiFan on Tue 16 Dec 2014 - 22:33

The stewarding on TORA will be much improved for 2015, across both of consoles.





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Re: Why are TORA staff so insistent on dumping FM4 when the numbers don't stack up for FM5?

Post by skyshadow5 on Tue 16 Dec 2014 - 22:50

FranchittiFan wrote:The stewarding on TORA will be much improved for 2015, across both of consoles.

Cool, thanks Chad.

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Post by ShrinkingSteven on Tue 16 Dec 2014 - 23:06

I'm here giving FM4 guys what you want....Just saying.... Rolling Eyes

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Re: Why are TORA staff so insistent on dumping FM4 when the numbers don't stack up for FM5?

Post by skyshadow5 on Tue 16 Dec 2014 - 23:10

ShrinkingSteven wrote:I'm here giving FM4 guys what you want....Just saying.... Rolling Eyes

And it is greatly appreciated Steven, thank you.

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Re: Why are TORA staff so insistent on dumping FM4 when the numbers don't stack up for FM5?

Post by HappyYapiYapo on Wed 17 Dec 2014 - 0:05

I'll be sorting out a new spec series after the heavy drinking session has finished!






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Post by KaneGR4 on Wed 17 Dec 2014 - 0:12

I don't think it needs to be 'officially' supported. The Community Team are more than capable of taking the reigns on the FM4 side of things.

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Re: Why are TORA staff so insistent on dumping FM4 when the numbers don't stack up for FM5?

Post by skyshadow5 on Wed 17 Dec 2014 - 0:31

HaydieT wrote:I'll be sorting out a new spec series after the heavy drinking session has finished!

I'd leave it a day or so after the heavy drinking session Hayden, I mean, we don't want the next Spec Cup series announcement to be "5 rounds in a Fiat Punto" as the drunken stupor hasn't worn off yet lol Wink


Kilroy8 wrote:I don't think it needs to be 'officially' supported. The Community Team are more than capable of taking the reigns on the FM4 side of things.

The origin of the thread came from a conversation overheard in the qualifying lobby during a recent race where the lack of TORA Stewards for FM4 was mentioned backed up by another comment that there were no longer any of the stewarding team working on FM4 and that this individual had received a PM quoting this. This led me to wonder why the TORA staff had dived headfirst into FM5 when FM4 was still clearly the better supported option.

As for your comment regarding the Community Team running FM4 competitions / series, I completely agree as the recent Escort Cosworth Spec Cup and the current Porsche Supercup have been excellently run and supported.

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Re: Why are TORA staff so insistent on dumping FM4 when the numbers don't stack up for FM5?

Post by HCR Solar on Wed 17 Dec 2014 - 1:30

Right Stewards have been far and few since FM5 have come out since some of them have Sold there 360 to completely concentrate on the Next Gen, but new things will be happening Smile dont worry your lil Socks it has not been a Announcement but it was has been on the Twitter Page Announcing me and Connor as new Stewards now, both me and connor do not have Xbox ones Smile ill let u figure the rest Very Happy






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Post by ErebusV8 on Wed 17 Dec 2014 - 1:43

Look, I know I'm not CT/Staff, but I do know of some stuff that is happening soon for FM4,
Touring Car Masters for example, which is now an 'official TORA event' even if it is run by the community, and was a VERY popular season last time.
No doubt TEC will return in some form, along with GT, TCC and more spec cup and HOPEFULLY ISCC will return.

Staff would be stupid to just drop FM4 come 2015, and I know that they aren't stupid, like Stan said it would ruin the community. FM4 way seem it at times, but it's long form dead


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Post by HCR Solar on Wed 17 Dec 2014 - 1:48

ErebusV8 wrote:Look, I know I'm not CT/Staff, but I do know of some stuff that is happening soon for FM4,
Touring Car Masters for example, which is now an 'official TORA event' even if it is run by the community, and was a VERY popular season last time.
No doubt TEC will return in some form, along with GT, TCC and more spec cup and HOPEFULLY ISCC will return.

Staff would be stupid to just drop FM4 come 2015, and I know that they aren't stupid, like Stan said it would ruin the community. FM4 way seem it at times, but it's long form dead

Touring Masters will be awesome, BUT DAM I WANT A TCC EVENT! they were the days when i dribbled before racing Razz haha but yeah defo more events and community events on the way people so dont u worry Very Happy






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Post by F4H Diablo on Wed 17 Dec 2014 - 2:19

People are funny when it comes to participation. If a bunch of people are signed up, more sign up on top of that. When there's only a few, no one wants to race.







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Post by Flyin Mikey J on Wed 17 Dec 2014 - 2:36

F4H Diablo wrote:People are funny when it comes to participation. If a bunch of people are signed up, more sign up on top of that. When there's only a few, no one wants to race.

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Post by Flyin Mikey J on Wed 17 Dec 2014 - 2:40

Sky, after the announcememnt that you referred to was made, it was brought to attention that there is too much demand to proceed w/o FM4 as part of the program here on TORA.

For starters there is a headlining FM4 Series coming very soon to Tuesday Nights GMT, and one coming on Wednesday Nights to America. Depending on demand and popularity, things will proceed from there.


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Post by HCR Solar on Wed 17 Dec 2014 - 11:37

F4H Diablo wrote:People are funny when it comes to participation. If a bunch of people are signed up, more sign up on top of that. When there's only a few, no one wants to race.

ill agree right there 1 thing i noticed about the Touring Masters was when me and Tubbi decided we would run and i built a tunes for all the cars and shared them on Storefront it got alot more Interest just from that, not taking anything away from Mikey cause the event was awesome Smile but just my 2 pennys worth that






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