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Post by Flyin Mikey J on Sat 8 Oct 2016 - 19:23



2016 TOURING MASTERS

Car List and Builds


1992 Alfa Romeo 155 Q4
Spoiler:
A670
348 HP
2623 lbs

CONVERSIONS;
RWD

ENGINE;
Race Air Filter
Race Exhaust
Street Camshaft
Race Valves
Race Pistons
Race Turbo

HANDLING;
Race Brakes
Race Springs
Race Front Bars
Race Rear Bars
Race Roll Cage
Sport Weight Reduction

DRIVELINE;
Race Clutch
Race Transmission
Race Driveline
Race Differential

TIRES;
Race Compound
x1 Rear Tire Width
Stock Rims (Or Equivalent)

AERO;
Race Front Bumper
Race Rear Wing
Sport Bumper



1986 Alfa Romeo GTV-6
Spoiler:
A655
374 HP
2612 lbs

CONVERSIONS;
Twin Turbo

ENGINE;
Sport Fuel
Sport Exhaust
Race Camshaft
Race Valves
Race Displacement
Race Pistons
Race Turbo
Race Intercooler
Race Oil and Cooling
Race Flywheel

HANDLING;
Race Brakes
Race Springs
Race Front Bars
Race Rear Bars
Race Roll Cage
Race Weight Reduction

DRIVELINE;
Race Clutch
Race Transmission
Race Driveline
Race Differential

TIRES;
Race Compound
Full Front Tire Width
Full Rear Tire Width
Avanti AF 118 Rims

AERO;
Forza Front + Rear
Street Bumper
Street Bonnet



1991 BMW M3
Spoiler:
A645
349 HP
2630 lbs

CONVERSIONS;
Single Turbo

ENGINE;
Race Air Filter
Sport Exhaust
Race Camshaft

HANDLING;
Race Brakes
Race Springs
Race Front Bars
Race Rear Bars
Race Roll Cage
Sport Weight Reduction

DRIVELINE;
Race Clutch
Race Transmission
Race Driveline
Race Differential

TIRES;
Race Compound
Stock Rims (Or Equivalent)

AERO;
Forza Front + Rear



1986 BMW M635CSi
Spoiler:
A649
424 HP
3148 lbs

CONVERSIONS;
Single Turbo

ENGINE;
Race Fuel
Race Ignition
Sport Exhaust
Race Camshaft

HANDLING;
Race Brakes
Race Springs
Race Front Bars
Race Rear Bars
Race Roll Cage
Sport Weight Reduction

DRIVELINE;
Race Clutch
Race Transmission
Race Driveline
Race Differential

TIRES;
Race Compound
Stock Rims (Or Equivalent)

AERO;
Forza Front + Rear



1987 Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500
Spoiler:
A650
368 HP
2703 lbs


ENGINE;
Street Air Filter
Race Fuel System
Race Ignition
Race Exhaust
Race Camshaft
Race Valves
Race Pistons

HANDLING;
Race Brakes
Race Springs
Race Front Bars
Race Rear Bars
Race Roll Cage
Street Weight Reduction

DRIVELINE;
Race Clutch
Race Transmission
Race Driveline
Race Differential

TIRES;
Race Compound
Avanti AF 118 Rims

AERO;
Forza Front + Rear



1988 Holden VL Commodore Group A SV
Spoiler:
A647
377 HP
2886 lbs

CONVERSIONS;
Twin Turbo

ENGINE;
Race Air Filter
Race Exhaust
Race Camshaft

HANDLING;
Race Brakes
Race Springs
Race Front Bars
Race Rear Bars
Race Roll Cage
Sport Weight Reduction

DRIVELINE;
Race Clutch
Race Transmission
Race Driveline
Race Differential

TIRES;
Race Compound
x1 Front Width
x2 Rear Width
Stock Rims (Or Equivalent)

AERO;
Forza Front + Rear



1990 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5 - 16 Evolution II
Spoiler:
A643
435 HP
3196 lbs

CONVERSIONS;
Rally Engine Swap

ENGINE;
+1 Restrictor

HANDLING;
Race Brakes
Race Springs
Race Front Bars
Race Rear Bars
Race Roll Cage

DRIVELINE;
Race Clutch
Race Transmission
Race Driveline
Race Differential

TIRES;
Race Compound
Avanti AF 118 Rims

AERO;
Forza Front



1993 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec
Spoiler:
A670
391 HP
3063 lbs

CONVERSIONS;
RWD

ENGINE;
Race Air Filter
Race Exhaust
Race Camshaft

HANDLING;
Race Brakes
Race Springs
Race Front Bars
Race Rear Bars
Race Roll Cage

DRIVELINE;
Race Clutch
Race Transmission
Race Driveline
Race Differential

TIRES;
Race Compound
+1 Rear Tire Width
Stock Rims (Or Equivalent)

AERO;
Forza Front + Rear



1990 Vauxhall Lotus Carlton
Spoiler:
A658
386 HP
3045 lbs

CONVERSIONS;

ENGINE;
Race Oil + Cooling

HANDLING;
Race Brakes
Race Springs
Race Front Bars
Race Rear Bars
Race Roll Cage
Race Weight Reduction

DRIVELINE;
Race Clutch
Race Transmission
Race Driveline
Race Differential

TIRES;
Race Compound
Stock Rims (Or Equivalent)

AERO;
Forza Front + Rear


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Re: Touring Masters US Carlist and Builds

Post by reaper mech on Fri 14 Oct 2016 - 2:37

I'm having an issue on the 190E using the current build listed i hit the PI perfectly but my car is 2lbs lighter than the listed weight ..

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Re: Touring Masters US Carlist and Builds

Post by echovelocity on Sat 15 Oct 2016 - 21:01

Built up a few of the cars I'm interested in, but noticed some things:

Vauxhall should have 386 HP

Merc should be allowed to use any equivalent rim style, right? +22 lbs

Alfa 155 build isn't working for me. I've been up and down the build 4 times, but I'm getting a PI of 670 and a weight of 2,623 lbs. Could it be missing side skirts or bigger rims?

Also, any reason why we aren't supposed to use the Race front bumper on the Alfa? It generates the same downforce as the Forza one but helps round out the widebody look.

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Re: Touring Masters US Carlist and Builds

Post by Flyin Mikey J on Sat 15 Oct 2016 - 21:46

^ Alfa 155 can use factory race aero.

Also... the car's PI and Weight have been corrected. Check the revised build numbers.


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Re: Touring Masters US Carlist and Builds

Post by THR Flipmode on Sun 16 Oct 2016 - 1:34

Check the Alfa GTV build. I get 385 hp. If I take off the sport fuel I get the correct numbers. Could be me...

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Re: Touring Masters US Carlist and Builds

Post by reaper mech on Sun 16 Oct 2016 - 2:00

Flyin Mikey J wrote:^ Alfa 155 can use factory race aero.

Also... the car's PI and Weight have been corrected.  Check the revised build numbers.

thank you for the update Smile

edit lotus carlton hp is 386 in game , all other stats match posted Smile

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Re: Touring Masters US Carlist and Builds

Post by BOBOTHECLOWN340 on Tue 18 Oct 2016 - 1:58

why cant the gtr be awd

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Post by reaper mech on Tue 18 Oct 2016 - 2:19

BOBOTHECLOWN340 wrote:why cant the gtr be awd

unfair advantage on corner exits and on standing starts come to mind

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Re: Touring Masters US Carlist and Builds

Post by Flyin Mikey J on Tue 18 Oct 2016 - 5:41

reaper mech wrote:
BOBOTHECLOWN340 wrote:why cant the gtr be awd

unfair advantage on corner exits and on standing starts come to mind

Pretty much. AWD is tough to balance in with RWD cars.


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Re: Touring Masters US Carlist and Builds

Post by Foreu2env on Mon 24 Oct 2016 - 3:00

Flipmode2k wrote:Check the Alfa GTV build.  I get 385 hp.  If I take off the sport fuel I get the correct numbers. Could be me...

Same here

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Post by Flyin Mikey J on Mon 24 Oct 2016 - 7:18

Foreu2env wrote:
Flipmode2k wrote:Check the Alfa GTV build.  I get 385 hp.  If I take off the sport fuel I get the correct numbers. Could be me...

Same here

You'd be correct.


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Re: Touring Masters US Carlist and Builds

Post by Shneeb108 on Tue 25 Oct 2016 - 2:37

Can we choose any car at this point? If so, I'm in.

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Re: Touring Masters US Carlist and Builds

Post by F4H Diablo on Tue 25 Oct 2016 - 3:12

Unlimited car choice, Shneeb!






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Post by Shneeb108 on Tue 25 Oct 2016 - 3:24

I was thinking the AR GTV-6, any opinion?

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Re: Touring Masters US Carlist and Builds

Post by Flyin Mikey J on Tue 25 Oct 2016 - 8:27

Shneeb108 wrote:I was thinking the AR GTV-6, any opinion?

I think it was F4H Diablo who told me it could be bad fast, if not OP, if tuned correctly.


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Re: Touring Masters US Carlist and Builds

Post by F4H Diablo on Tue 25 Oct 2016 - 13:35

It has lots of potential, but it's more difficult to drive because it doesn't handle all that well. It accelerates the best from like 70-120 but it trails off after 135.






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Post by Shneeb108 on Tue 25 Oct 2016 - 14:41

Thanks for the advice, I chose the BMW M3.

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Re: Touring Masters US Carlist and Builds

Post by XPR ChicaiN on Tue 1 Nov 2016 - 16:46

Gentlemen,

Some of you may have noticed that I had a terrible time with the Merc last round. Granted...I can't tune for beans but even with my garbage tunes I'm rarely this far off pace. With my aero all the way down...the car was noticeably slower than any other car on track and that's where I lost all my time. I got passed on every single straight by every single car. Even if I got out of the corner faster, there was no way to prevent the car behind from getting past me for the next corner even if he was 40 ft back on exit. I was given advice to shift the car (waaay before red line) at 4,000 rpm before the last race kicked off but the tune wasn't setup to shift as early as recommended considering it up-shifted to 4,000 rpm. Even then, shifting early cut a half second off my lap times. Now I understand why I'm the only person running this car. It appears it needs some non-intuitive gearing and I can't seem to figure it out. Does anybody have settings for a competitive tune for the Merc they'd be willing to share with me? I know there was tuning and testing done on all the cars so they must have figured something out that I'm missing. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Smile

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Re: Touring Masters US Carlist and Builds

Post by F4H Diablo on Tue 1 Nov 2016 - 18:13

Use full front aero and start with about 40% rear, and remove rear aero until the car starts getting too loose, then tighten where it seems to be "just right"

Gears... That's the rally motor, so use a lower final drive (try 3.2), and move the gears so that you're using gears 2-5, 2-4 on shorter tracks. That motor is torquey and needs to be short-shifted to go fast. The rest really depends on driving style. Basic things I normally do are 29/29 tire pressures, no more than -2.0 camber front or rear, 0.1/0.0 toe, 48%/152% on the brakes, and 40%/30% on the diff. Try those things (one at a time so you know the effect on the car), and see what happens. I know the Merc was in the 59s at Silverstone National, just have to figure out the gears, so much to be gained from that.






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Post by XPR ChicaiN on Tue 1 Nov 2016 - 20:59

Thanks for the help Diablo. I'll let you know the outcome.

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Post by XPR ChicaiN on Wed 2 Nov 2016 - 15:23

I managed to get it down to a 1:00.9 with your suggestions (thank you) but I see there is plenty of opportunity to improve with a better overall tune. I can't get the power down on exit without losing the back end. Do you have any suggestions for this problem?

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Post by Flyin Mikey J on Wed 2 Nov 2016 - 17:02

XPR ChicaiN wrote:I managed to get it down to a 1:00.9 with your suggestions (thank you) but I see there is plenty of opportunity to improve with a better overall tune. I can't get the power down on exit without losing the back end. Do you have any suggestions for this problem?

I have had the same issue with every car for the series in testing. I've found the most gains from diff settings. I ended up at 60a/20d for the Alfa at Silverstone, after trying small adjustments up and down on both accel and decel.


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Re: Touring Masters US Carlist and Builds

Post by F4H Diablo on Wed 2 Nov 2016 - 17:32

XPR ChicaiN wrote:I managed to get it down to a 1:00.9 with your suggestions (thank you) but I see there is plenty of opportunity to improve with a better overall tune. I can't get the power down on exit without losing the back end. Do you have any suggestions for this problem?

This could be a few different things. Diff is probably the culprit, but I'd also try lower the rear spring rate, as well as adding 1/2 pound of tire pressure to the rears. Diff tuning is rather strange in Forza- Normally the higher the accel, the higher the oversteer on exit, but it needs to be above 30% at least or you get one-wheel peel (and massive understeer). Experiement and see what happens. Also, if all else fails, 5-10 lbs of rear aero isn't a huge game changer.






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Re: Touring Masters US Carlist and Builds

Post by XPR ChicaiN on Wed 2 Nov 2016 - 20:36

Thanks for the help guys...I really appreciate it.

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