Re: American Sports Car Championship - General Chat

by some evil dude Fri 2 Jun 2017 - 22:19

Oh so you do cut! Well I'm glad I spoke up and thanks for posting Diablo
Very Happy

by **HCR Motorhead** Fri 2 Jun 2017 - 22:27

some evil dude wrote:Oh so you do cut! Well I'm glad I spoke up and thanks for posting Diablo

by some evil dude Fri 2 Jun 2017 - 22:45

F4H Diablo wrote:Unless specified, the limit is ALWAYS the painted lines on the outside of the track. Indy is no different.

There are lines in the back stretch that he did cut with the video he provided so please for the love of whatever you believe in please don't play stupid

by some evil dude Fri 2 Jun 2017 - 22:54

My friend Jan has clarified just recently that the brake line goes over this as well which justifies to some point. I don't use this assist which throws out some confusion so I am sorry for that, but Diablo has stated time & again throughout Tora to pay heed to the WHITE LINE.

So please fogive me that this all along never really mattered anyway lol

by **HCR Motorhead** Fri 2 Jun 2017 - 23:54

That bit is for an entirely different layout, kinda like what you get at Sonoma. But at least you're on the right page now Smile

by echovelocity Sat 3 Jun 2017 - 0:10

Yeah, if you want to be pedantic Forza wants you to "cut" the left hander at the end of the back straight. Go for the curb on the way left, not the one after that would make it a 90-degree turn (like the GP version).

The old layout actually had a slightly different last sector when they used to race it so we're getting an odd variation as the "classic" one.

by **Diablo 29x** Sat 3 Jun 2017 - 2:00

some evil dude wrote:
F4H Diablo wrote:Unless specified, the limit is ALWAYS the painted lines on the outside of the track. Indy is no different.

There are lines in the back stretch that he did cut with the video he provided so please for the love of whatever you believe in please don't play stupid

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by **Diablo 29x** Sat 3 Jun 2017 - 2:01

some evil dude wrote:My friend Jan has clarified just recently that the brake line goes over this as well which justifies to some point. I don't use this assist which throws out some confusion so I am sorry for that, but Diablo has stated time & again throughout Tora to pay heed to the WHITE LINE.

So please fogive me that this all along never really mattered anyway lol

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by Dr BecKx Sat 3 Jun 2017 - 2:07

some evil dude wrote:My friend Jan has clarified just recently that the brake line goes over this as well which justifies to some point. I don't use this assist which throws out some confusion so I am sorry for that, but Diablo has stated time & again throughout Tora to pay heed to the WHITE LINE.

So please fogive me that this all along never really mattered anyway lol

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by **Diablo 29x** Sat 3 Jun 2017 - 2:31

some evil dude wrote:Oh so you do cut! Well I'm glad I spoke up and thanks for posting Diablo.

The Classic variant has always used the inner corner entry. Been like that since Forza 3. The outside turn is used for the new version of the track (i.e. GP variant) only.

If you're trying to troll me, quit.

by DOR ForlornBear Sat 3 Jun 2017 - 16:37

I signed in, and signed up for Q3 but im still not onn the live timing sheet?

by some evil dude Sat 3 Jun 2017 - 20:38

How the [Censored] am I trolling you Diablo? Look what your doing right now! I left it alone and made a small correction and you can't let it go.

I'm tired of how up tight Tora tries to be so this is only coming back from the past. Set your rules straight before going on about all track limits are the same. I follow the rules. That is all

by **Diablo 29x** Sun 4 Jun 2017 - 0:41

@SomeEvilDude Because everyone and their mother sees how the track goes, clearly using the inner turn. The track has been like that since it was brought in for Forza 3. They repaved the track and made a new outer turn used exclusively for the modern GP variant. I assumed that you drivers would know this, since to me and most others it was common sense... and I was correct on this... Except for you.

Why did I react the way I did?

... How hard would it have been to say "Hey what's with the line you used at the end of the back straight? You cross the white line to make that turn?"

I would've responded with, "because that's the track layout, Forza didn't make barriers/place cones to separate the intended turn from the GP turn"... Then none of this would've happened. That's why I reacted the way that I did.

You've harassed me before and you've harassed other staff members/community members. Now, I have no patience for it. I've explained to you before how to ask a question instead of making accusations. It's clearly fallen on deaf ears and so now, I won't give you the time of day.

by some evil dude Sun 4 Jun 2017 - 3:38

Even now you antagonize me without a second thought. You obviously don't expect anything nice in return. You're definintely not going to remember anything nice I've done for you in the past. And yes this is true. Whenever I give you a straight question, I basically get a slap in the face, before you even bother trying to make sense of the question.

I'll remember this the next time you try to defend yourself and say how wrapped up you are with "life" and organizing an event in any way. It's clear you don't give a damn what others think & your making pretty hard to care for yourself

by **Diablo 29x** Sun 4 Jun 2017 - 5:12

Just don't talk to me ever again. There's a reason I blocked you months ago on Xbox Live.

For what it's worth, and everyone else probably knows this, I've spent a lot of time and effort into this series, per week and before it began, to give everyone a great series. I haven't hosted one in a very long time (since VM, some of you remember that site I'm sure), so it's been a learning curve. I spent probably 30-40 hours over 2 weeks testing and tuning cars to balance them out over the course of 10 rounds before the series went live in December.

If anyone else wants to take a shot at my work ethic and whether or not I care for the people that race in my series, they can take my spot as series organizer for a race week. Apparently I no longer have an "excuse" when life comes up, so I guess I just have to keep on doing what I'm doing and *not* complain about any of those things, the same as I have been.

by henkymetcola Sun 4 Jun 2017 - 15:54

Maybe i've missed it, but is it 6 stops LMP and 4 GT again?

by **Diablo 29x** Sun 4 Jun 2017 - 16:04

Indeed.

This is to be the standard unless noted.

I'll post this in the race thread as well!

by henkymetcola Sun 4 Jun 2017 - 17:38

F4H Diablo wrote:Indeed.

This is to be the standard unless noted.

I'll post this in the race thread as well!

Thanks!

by SVR NO MERCY Sun 4 Jun 2017 - 19:44

i'm not here to start anything but I did pop in to some lobby and watch people cut turn one with all 4 wheel of the track. The person who have pole right now in P class was one of them.

by LZR Harmonic Sun 4 Jun 2017 - 21:09

some evil dude wrote:Even now you antagonize me without a second thought. You obviously don't expect anything nice in return. You're definintely not going to remember anything nice I've done for you in the past. And yes this is true. Whenever I give you a straight question, I basically get a slap in the face, before you even bother trying to make sense of the question.

I'll remember this the next time you try to defend yourself and say how wrapped up you are with "life" and organizing an event in any way. It's clear you don't give a damn what others think & your making pretty hard to care for yourself

Enjoy your time out ya dreadful geeza

by isyoube Sun 4 Jun 2017 - 22:30

I want a little clarity, and consistency going forward in this series. In multiple races in this series (Daytona, Long Beach, Sebring, Watkins Glen) when we hit the end of race mark, we were instructed to stop immediately on track. During Lobby 2 of the Indy race, I myself and my teammate stopped as we have in the past, but most other people continued driving, and could have cost us spots.

When was this changed? Or if finish racing through the start/finish line has always been the rule, why was this not done previously? I have people arguing in lobby 2 that this has always been the case and I'm wrong, but I know it for a fact that I've never raced through to the start/finish. Please provide clarity, and a standard that all Lobby hosts will be held to going forward.

by echovelocity Sun 4 Jun 2017 - 22:32

Just want to say Indy was one hell of a race, especially with FIA Snake. I had a monster stint at the end and got lucky with the undercut, but he came back and held me off, even with some bumping here and there lol (got a little crazy on occasion).

Sorry especially to Jose Team, Flipmode and Snake for that collision around 30 mins in, I misjudged my pass and it screwed things up for all of us.

Also, GTs - if you're going to stop at 30 minutes, don't stop in the middle of the track - this is not TEC.

isyoube wrote:I want a little clarity, and consistency going forward in this series. In multiple races in this series (Daytona, Long Beach, Sebring, Watkins Glen) when we hit the end of race mark, we were instructed to stop immediately on track. During Lobby 2 of the Indy race, I myself and my teammate stopped as we have in the past, but most other people continued driving, and could have cost us spots.

When was this changed? Or if finish racing through the start/finish line has always been the rule, why was this not done previously? I have people arguing in lobby 2 that this has always been the case and I'm wrong, but I know it for a fact that I've never raced through to the start/finish. Please provide clarity, and a standard that all Lobby hosts will be held to going forward.

My understanding is when the clock hits 30 minutes to go, if the leader is just past the start/finish line, there is 1 more lap for everyone (white flag). If the leader is before start/finish, the lap the leader on will be the last lap (checkered flag).

Now, since the GTs and DPs are split (I'd prefer 16 car lobbies with everyone in 1 party) you have to just follow your class leader, not the overall.

But as I said above, when you stop, don't do it in the middle of the track because another class may still be racing for another lap.

by SVR NO MERCY Sun 4 Jun 2017 - 22:38

Lobby 2 was crazy! Alot off battles. Excuse me now guys, I'm going to put ice on my hands now.

by WELL DONE BAKU Sun 4 Jun 2017 - 22:48

isyoube wrote:I want a little clarity, and consistency going forward in this series. In multiple races in this series (Daytona, Long Beach, Sebring, Watkins Glen) when we hit the end of race mark, we were instructed to stop immediately on track. During Lobby 2 of the Indy race, I myself and my teammate stopped as we have in the past, but most other people continued driving, and could have cost us spots.

Daytona and Sebring are part of the Endurance Cup, which is scored by distance and not position, so people need to stop in order to get a representation of the actual distance covered per stint.

Long Beach, COTA, Watkins Glen and Indy were in the Sprint Cup, which is scored by position, so the leader finishing the lap they are on and then everyone else racing to the line is representative of Real World time based races.

If it was going to be a race to the timer in a series where the distance didn't matter, then the race timer would be set to 2hrs and we would run it to the end.[/quote]

by isyoube Sun 4 Jun 2017 - 23:00

I get that, and that makes sense. This does not clarify anything though, knowing how Watkins and Long Beach were handled. The lobbies that I was in at those races, we stopped on track, did not go through start/finish. So I want clarity as to what it is supposed to be from F4H Diablo, and I expect that standard to be upheld from ALL LOBBY HOSTS, instead of lobby hosts making up the rules as we go - which seems to be the standard in all TORA lobbies.

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