Alan Gow takes a bitch fit over Forza 3!?

Snowowl (FM.net) wrote:
First, I'm not a copyright attorney (nor do I even play one on stage, screen or television), but I believe the permission agreements/licensing are covered as noted within the game on the first screen (goes by too fast) when we launch FM2 and Options/Credits. The provided in-game logos, etc., are covered by the six paralegal/attorney people listed under Legal Corporate Affairs, as well the various "permission of Licensor," ". . . licensed to Microsoft Corporation," and " . . . registered trademarks owned and licensed by . . .,". . . used by Microsoft with permission of . . .," and ". . . licensed under certain patents . . ." as well as the specific Licensing Partners list.

Those items in the Manufacturer Decals in the Livery Editor, as we know, cannot have the colors changed, be saved among the Vinyl Groups or on a full car to the design catalog, I'm pretty sure that is how the rights of all the participating companies/manufacturers (Options/Credits listings) are being protected.

As to the wonderfully creative interpretations of the logos/designs, etc., done by the artists in the Livery Editor, are only used in the game itself and cannot be placed anywhere like in print media, advertisments, ads on television, etc., to perhaps circumvent the legalities under which FM2 is allowed to use the "real" things. There is also the " 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All Rights Reserved " listed at the bottom of each page here on the forums and the website, as well as other Microsoft entities.

Such user generated content also falls under coverage in the Xbox LIVE Terms of Use in sections 12-14, and section 28, Notices, Copyright and Trademark Notices, plus Notices and Procedure for Making Claims of Copyright Infringement ("Under Title 17, United States Code, Section 512(c)(2), notifications of claimed copyright infringement should be sent to service provider's designated agent.") and the large umbrella wording:

"Respect Copyright

"Please respect the rights of artists and creators. Content such as music, photos, and video may be protected by copyright. People appearing in content may have a right to control use of their image. You may not share other people's content unless you own the rights or have permission from the owner."

So, in answer to your question, yes there are "real life" restrictions spelled out in many volumes of agreements pounded out by attorneys not only from Microsoft but all the manufacturers/companies in the game itself, but additional laws like Title 17, United States Code. However, in our (you and other Livery Editor experts, not I) usage, the "environment" for these incredibly accurate depictions is within the game itself and not commercially available in other media. That's one of the reasons people who sell lesson in games or credits in FM2 for real money/Microsoft Points/Xbox LIVE subscriptions are in violation of Xbox LIVE's Terms of Use and Code of Conduct.

Hope this answers your questions/makes sense. The Forza Motorsport franchise of games is lots of fun, but there are serious sides to the content we don't see immediately on the surface.

Jenson09 wrote:Well having done IP for a number of years at Uni I will be pointing out my sincere disinterest in this topic!
I will continue to produce replicas and liveries as it shows my love and appreciation of my sport.
So what now are we going to have F1, FIA GT Le Mans ALMS NASCAR WRC WTCC etc etc etc etc teams and series all coming after us?!?!?
NO
It shows we appreciate the sport and openly promotes FREELY the series.
There should be glad of our efforts.
Boo Alan Gow and the money grabbing BTCC which hasn't provided value for money for a trackside fan for many years. Get your house in order before you start nailing your fans.

RpM Mad Monk wrote:actually i think i saw this on FM.net, i'll quote it for you.

Snowowl (FM.net) wrote:
First, I'm not a copyright attorney (nor do I even play one on stage, screen or television), but I believe the permission agreements/licensing are covered as noted within the game on the first screen (goes by too fast) when we launch FM2 and Options/Credits. The provided in-game logos, etc., are covered by the six paralegal/attorney people listed under Legal Corporate Affairs, as well the various "permission of Licensor," ". . . licensed to Microsoft Corporation," and " . . . registered trademarks owned and licensed by . . .,". . . used by Microsoft with permission of . . .," and ". . . licensed under certain patents . . ." as well as the specific Licensing Partners list.

Those items in the Manufacturer Decals in the Livery Editor, as we know, cannot have the colors changed, be saved among the Vinyl Groups or on a full car to the design catalog, I'm pretty sure that is how the rights of all the participating companies/manufacturers (Options/Credits listings) are being protected.

As to the wonderfully creative interpretations of the logos/designs, etc., done by the artists in the Livery Editor, are only used in the game itself and cannot be placed anywhere like in print media, advertisments, ads on television, etc., to perhaps circumvent the legalities under which FM2 is allowed to use the "real" things. There is also the " 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All Rights Reserved " listed at the bottom of each page here on the forums and the website, as well as other Microsoft entities.

Such user generated content also falls under coverage in the Xbox LIVE Terms of Use in sections 12-14, and section 28, Notices, Copyright and Trademark Notices, plus Notices and Procedure for Making Claims of Copyright Infringement ("Under Title 17, United States Code, Section 512(c)(2), notifications of claimed copyright infringement should be sent to service provider's designated agent.") and the large umbrella wording:

"Respect Copyright

"Please respect the rights of artists and creators. Content such as music, photos, and video may be protected by copyright. People appearing in content may have a right to control use of their image. You may not share other people's content unless you own the rights or have permission from the owner."

So, in answer to your question, yes there are "real life" restrictions spelled out in many volumes of agreements pounded out by attorneys not only from Microsoft but all the manufacturers/companies in the game itself, but additional laws like Title 17, United States Code. However, in our (you and other Livery Editor experts, not I) usage, the "environment" for these incredibly accurate depictions is within the game itself and not commercially available in other media. That's one of the reasons people who sell lesson in games or credits in FM2 for real money/Microsoft Points/Xbox LIVE subscriptions are in violation of Xbox LIVE's Terms of Use and Code of Conduct.

Hope this answers your questions/makes sense. The Forza Motorsport franchise of games is lots of fun, but there are serious sides to the content we don't see immediately on the surface.

So actually as the logos cannot be sold for real money you are covered and they cannot take any legal action...