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A Quick Refresher To Remind Everyone About good Racing Etiquette

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A Quick Refresher To Remind Everyone About good Racing Etiquette

Post by PLOW The Butcher on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 10:33

Originally Posted by SCCA RULEBOOK and Skip Barber Racing school

"The responsibility for the decision to pass another car rests with the overtaking driver."
If, at the brake point, your car is dead alongside the car your are trying to pass, the overtaken car is obliged to leave room for you and not simply turn into you at the turn-in point.
If, however, you're trying to pass but you're not quite alongside, as in having the front wheels up the the middle of the other car at the break point, you haven't made the pass; it's your responsibility to get out of the way of the other car and yield the line in order to avoid a collision. The other driver might yield and give you room at the apex, but you can't count on it. He may not have even seen you if he hasn't been looking in his mirrors. If you're not alongside, you've got to expect to be "chopped", which is the racing term for another driver pulling across the nose of your car going to the apex.
Originally Posted by Live for Speed manual Corner Rights
CR-1: You must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead before they reach the corner’s turn-in point to have the right to drive up their inside, or to expect them to leave inside room for you. Substantial overlap means at least that the front of your car is up to say the driver’s position in the ahead car - and that’s at the very least. You probably should have more overlap in some circumstances. The ahead driver has the right to be fully committed to the racing line of their choice without any interference if there was no substantial overlap before he turned in.
CR-2: If sufficient overlap is established before the turn-in point, then the behind driver has the right to sufficient side room. The ahead driver must then leave sufficient side room for the behind driver.
CR-2A: The car on the outside has the right to outside room all the way through the corner – right up to the exit point. They should not be squeezed against the outside towards the exit point.
CR-2B: The car on the inside has the right to inside room all the way through the corner - right up to the exit point. They should not be squeezed against the inside towards the apex area. The ahead driver can still battle for the position of course but must do so while maintaining side room for the behind driver. The practice of going up the inside of an ahead car after they have already turned in, and where there was no established substantial overlap before the turn-in point, is sometimes referred to as barge passing, ( I.e. you barge your way past ). Understand that barge passing is a high risk manoeuvre for both you and others. You have no rights what-so-ever as a barge passer. Should you cause an accident from a barge passing manoeuvre you’ll be in a defenceless position should you be protested?
CR-3: Where an ahead driver has clearly made a sufficient error to warrant a passing move a behind driver may attack their position, with due caution and care, regardless of whether there was any pre-existing overlap. E.g. - If the ahead driver brakes too late and drifts out wide of the apex and then has to reduce speed etc. This would be a valid passing opportunity regardless of whether there was pre-existing overlap. However, there is still substantial responsibility on the overtaking driver to take all necessary care to avoid contact. Small errors by the ahead driver may not be sufficient to justify an attacking passing move however. Just because the ahead drivers gets a bit out of shape at times doesn’t give you an automatic right to pass uncontested by them or a right to room. You still have to judge if their error provides sufficient opportunity for a safe pass to take place.
Defensive Driving
DD-1: Leading cars have the right to choose their own line down a straight. They may make one move to block an attacking car to protect their position while on a straight - but then must maintain that position as long as the attacker remains affected by their position. Then, naturally, as they approach the next corner, they can of course return to the racing line of their choice for the corner.
DD-2: Leading cars have the right to take their line of choice through corners. E.G. they may drive a defensive line around the inside of a corner to protect their position, thereby forcing an attacking driver to try to pass around the outside. This is not blocking and is part of normal racing etiquette.

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Re: A Quick Refresher To Remind Everyone About good Racing Etiquette

Post by Matt on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 11:07

VERY good post Butcher!!




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Post by FranchittiFan on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 11:48

everyone should know anyway about wat too do!

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Post by Sgt JigglyMoobs on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 11:50

Lol I got like 3 lines down and am now in hospital suffering from extreme boredom

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Post by Guest on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 13:18

Most of that is in all our regs already! Razz

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Post by Matt on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 13:32

yeah AJ but it's good to know the feeling is shared. Not EVERYONE will adhere to common racing practice because not everyone races for the same reason (see any of the hopper games for that sort of insanity....)




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Post by Guest on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 14:02

Don't get me started on hopper games!!!

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Post by CQR Rogue on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 14:28

Great Post Butcher, just a friendly reminder Razz




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Post by nickyf1 on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 17:17

Racing ettiquete is slipping on TORA these days. We need to respect each other, ESPECIALY for the TASCAR.

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Post by HCR generaltso on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 17:35

nickyf1 wrote:Racing ettiquete is slipping on TORA these days.

it'll get better once we get back into the swing of things. right now everyones just itching to race.

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Post by lfcnicklfc on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 17:43

true i think everyone's a little bit rusty which is not good but give it a month or so when people start to do more group testing then everyone should be fine i think Razz

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Post by HCR generaltso on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 17:53

lfcnicklfc wrote:true i think everyone's a little bit rusty which is not good but give it a month or so when people start to do more group testing then everyone should be fine i think Razz

gotta get the gears greased.

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Post by Slider S15 on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 18:54

exactly, its not like you can practice in open lobbys.

"im on your inside"

"good" BANG!

*Slider S15 Lies broken in the Wreckage of his R35*

Not cool....

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Post by XTI Avenger on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 19:59

Slider S15 wrote:exactly, its not like you can practice in open lobbys.

"im on your inside"

"good" BANG!
Well, it's much better to be warned beforehand as well. Just simply calling your pass sometimes isn't enough, i.e. calling "I'm on the inside" while they're right next to you, or your already cutting in, "What did you say?" SMASH! I don't particularly like people calling their passes when theyre right next to me, and I'm totally oblivious. I mean, people should call their passes when they are going to pass, not while they're passing. All in my own point of view, though.

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Post by Slider S15 on Tue 12 Jan 2010 - 20:41

My point is outside of TORA if you try and inform people of where your putting your car they will use it against you much much more than in a TORA event.

Moral of the story, TORA is the only professional environment (that i know of) on Forza and a several month break from racing like weve had will make us all a bit rusty especially with no similar environment to run in.

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Post by XTI Avenger on Wed 13 Jan 2010 - 0:39

Ha, I bet it wont be long until I prove that we're all a bit rusty racing in TORA. Very Happy

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Post by FranchittiFan on Wed 13 Jan 2010 - 0:45

racing is really easy tbh you go as fast as you can simple. we all no that we have to leave room. the guys i normally race lyk nicky nick adam, etc know i wont let them by at all ill park my car everywhere, yet i know that im only allowed to move once from years of motorsport games and karting.

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Post by Matt on Wed 13 Jan 2010 - 9:46

The MINIs last night proved that we're doing ok..... until Chucky literally rolled over the front of my car.
Nothing worse than a face full of Chucky!




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Post by Crisis Nine on Wed 13 Jan 2010 - 10:00

Yeah exactly the same thing happened to me too! Was all good no contact from anyone at all and not even a hint of an accident really. Saw two of the WWR boys had a coming together in session one but they quickly pulled away once again. But yeah Chucky hit the kerb and flipped right over my Mini and landed on the other side of me! All I saw was the upside-down bonnet of a Mini infront of me!

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Post by Matt on Wed 13 Jan 2010 - 10:01

I'll enter him into the Red Bull Air Race I think!!




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Post by nickyf1 on Wed 13 Jan 2010 - 15:49

I always try to give plenty of room to other guys, at the end of the day it stops an accident happening.

And Chad, you have a major reputation for taking folk like me out on the final laps of a race, if you cast your mind back you did it twice in the SEAT Supercups last year for position on the final corner of the final lap to get second place in the A lobby, TWICE, and you were not penalised, and you have taken me out on occasion.

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Post by FranchittiFan on Wed 13 Jan 2010 - 17:02

nicky ill have u know ive pulled some very good clean moves like last night were i went around the outside of jenson at turn 2 of sebring full. i only hit u twice there cz it called a racing accident due too the fact we both wanted the postion thats going to happen in racing. i dont just slam into ppl to get passed.

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Post by nickyf1 on Wed 13 Jan 2010 - 17:16

ColinMcRae555 wrote:nicky ill have u know ive pulled some very good clean moves like last night were i went around the outside of jenson at turn 2 of sebring full. i only hit u twice there cz it called a racing accident due too the fact we both wanted the postion thats going to happen in racing. i dont just slam into ppl to get passed.

Wasn't a racing accident, you knew fiiiine well that i wasn't gonna let you past there Smile

And you cant just plow into someone, and then say it was a racing accident, thats just stupid.

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Post by Guest on Wed 13 Jan 2010 - 17:34

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Post by HCR generaltso on Wed 13 Jan 2010 - 17:36

this is why we need more testing

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