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Re: Spaceflight

Post by nickyf1 on Fri 17 Jun 2011 - 13:00

NASA set to unviel its new 70-130mT behemoth at the start of July.

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2011/06/managers-sls-announcement-after-sd-hlv-victory/

This thing will initially lift 70mT to low earth orbit, so it carries less payload than STS. But, STS carries the dead weight of the Orbiter. It will use RS-25's (Space Shuttle Main Engines) on the core stage (which is a stretched Shuttle ET) in tandem with 4 or 5 segment Solid Rocket Boosters. The upper stage would use the J-2X engine, based on the J-2 used for the upper stages of the Saturn V.

This thing would be a big big big rocket.

Also some plans there to utilise the dormant Ares 1 ML. Those living on the space coast will surely see this thing any time they look across Merrit Island, its a massive launch tower and platform, similar to the towers used for the Saturn V (and later Saturn INT-21 and Saturn 1B launches in support of Skylab and ASTP)

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STS-135

Post by nickyf1 on Mon 4 Jul 2011 - 9:23

This deserves a thread of its own really, because its a piece of history in the making. If you have never watched a live shuttle launch before, then this really is the last time you will be able to see such a magnificent craft on such a large scale as the Shuttle hurled into Earth Orbit. This is STS-135. Here are some numbers as to what it represents:

- The 166th (And final currently) planned US manned spaceflight of all time.
- The 135th (And final.. EVER) flight of a US Space Shuttle.

This final mission will be performed by the US Space Shuttle Atlantis/ Her crew will be the smallest crew to fly on a US manned space mission since the four astronauts who flew on STS-6, way way back in April of 1983, well over a decade before I was even born.

This is of course, the final mission of the Space Shuttle Programme, and as soon as Atlantis approaches wheel-stop, the programme will go into the history books, along with Mercury, Gemini and Apollo. This is perfectly natural. The Shuttle has been flying for over 30 years now, so it is time to move on and get out of LEO (Low Earth Orbit) for the first time since Apollo. And the next time we get out of LEO, it will be executed using a much more sustainable approach than Apollo. It will call upon the 30 years and 135 missions of the Space Shuttle Programme. Prior to humanities first trans-lunar flight in 1968 on Apollo 8, the USA had just 17 flights of prior spaceflight experience.. 17. Once the Shuttle is gone, private capsules will take up the boring business of ferrying Astronauts to LEO. NASA has too big aspirations to be doing that.

So.. what of the crew who will operate Atlantis on her final journey? Four Astronauts, all with previous experience:

Christopher Ferguson - Commander (CDR)
Doug Hurley - Pilot (PLT)
Sandra Magnus - Mission Specialist (MS1)
Rex Walheim - Mission Specialist (MS2)

I'll get a stream up!

Launch scheduled for 8th July at 11:26 EDT (16:26 BST)

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Re: Spaceflight

Post by CQR Rogue on Mon 4 Jul 2011 - 9:52

Great Right up Nicky, shame its NASA last ever Shuttle Mission at least the US Airforce "Shuttle" is operational now, black marks will soon appear over this thread.

Yep but it will be a historic day, do we know what the shuttle is taking to the Int Space Station




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Re: Spaceflight

Post by VVV GunDaM on Mon 4 Jul 2011 - 14:14

It's going to be shame to all the kids who wanted to be an astronaut...

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Re: Spaceflight

Post by nickyf1 on Mon 4 Jul 2011 - 20:40

There will be more opportunities to fly in the future. In 10 years time the USA will have four different types of spacecraft.

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Re: Spaceflight

Post by nickyf1 on Mon 4 Jul 2011 - 21:48

SNC Dream Chaser - Orbital Spaceplane (baby Shuttle)
Boeing CST-100 - Apollo style capsule
SpaceX Dragon - Apollo style capsule
Multipurpose Crew Vehicle - NASA's new toy for eventual flights to Mars. It'l be in operation for a few decades.

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Re: Spaceflight

Post by sbiggs on Mon 4 Jul 2011 - 22:00

didn't REALLY need a thread on its own though


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Re: Spaceflight

Post by nickyf1 on Mon 4 Jul 2011 - 22:23

You might think that, but I know there are a few people who would actually find this interesting because its the final flight.

We also have a few members of our forum from the space coast in Florida who may know of, or even have family or friends who are NASA workers at KSC who will be laid off after this, so that could be another point of discussion for this thread.

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Re: Spaceflight

Post by narboza22 on Mon 4 Jul 2011 - 22:34

I really really wish I could make it out to FL to see the launch.

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Re: Spaceflight

Post by nickyf1 on Wed 6 Jul 2011 - 11:01


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Re: Spaceflight

Post by nickyf1 on Wed 6 Jul 2011 - 23:39

Possible delay of launch till Saturday. This is due to weather only, Atlantis is performing perfectly.

She is gliding through S0007 Ops, which is pretty much the main countdown timeline to launch.

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Re: Spaceflight

Post by sbiggs on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 1:51

nickyf1 wrote:You might think that, but I know there are a few people who would actually find this interesting because its the final flight.

It's spaceflight to the most of us that ignore it though. Yes some like to chat about it, but not everyone. It doesn't need its own thread.


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Re: Spaceflight

Post by sbiggs on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 1:53

Saying that, in your first post you state -

nickyf1 wrote:Since STS-133 is concluding and 134 and 135 are scheduled to go up soon, I thought i'd start a general thread about spaceflight to prevent me from starting about 15 different threads this year.


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Re: Spaceflight

Post by HCR generaltso on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 2:13

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-world-video-earth-space.html

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Re: Spaceflight

Post by culchi on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 8:39

I love this thread and especially the links to launch videos, nicky you have full permission to keep this thread going with any spaceflight or interstellar news you can find. Good work


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Re: Spaceflight

Post by nickyf1 on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 13:15

Fair enough with the thread merging.

Don't worry Shane, i'll be posting lots of videos up here!

Here is a nice documentary narrated by William Shatner.

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Re: Spaceflight

Post by nickyf1 on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 13:19

Here is the last Soyuz launch to the ISS in support of the Expedition 28 mission to the ISS. Onboard are Soyuz CDR Sergei Volkov (PKA) and flight engineers Mike Fossum (NASA) and Satoshi Furukawa (JAXA).

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Re: Spaceflight

Post by nickyf1 on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 19:28

30 years ago, CDR John Young (the ninth person to walk on the moon) and his pilot Bob Crippen (Then a Spaceflight rookie) embarked on one of the ballsiest test flights in history. The aim: To successfully achieve orbit attached to the side of the untested (in flight anyway) rockets, to open the payload doors and deploy the important radiators in orbit, to check on-orbit systems, and most importantly, to successfully re-enter the Earth's atmosphere and land on a runway, without any engines, in California. None of the equipment had flown before. The first Shuttle flight was manned. This has to be the best video of it. Especially the landing, with thousands of people cheering and the Star Spangled Banner blaring out!

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Re: Spaceflight

Post by nickyf1 on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 19:34

''Close and lock your visors and initiate 02 flow'' - Thats the moment to be scared.


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Re: Spaceflight

Post by Johniboy on Thu 7 Jul 2011 - 19:47

I would be pretty nervous going up in that thing.

Two flights out of 135 (ish) ending in disaster is quite a high statistic.

Still, it's an amazing piece of kit. I can't deny that.

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Re: Spaceflight

Post by nickyf1 on Fri 8 Jul 2011 - 1:27

I'd go up in a heartbeat. I really, really would. The Loss of Crew statistic is very high, yes. But both tragedies made NASA take a great big look at itself in the mirror. Much like the Apollo 1 tragedy, in which Gene Kranz's (famous Apollo-era flight director, the main man in the FCR during the Apollo 13 situation) ''Kranz Dictum'' originated, which reflects what the attitude of NASA ought to be, and has become through these tragedies.

"Spaceflight will never tolerate carelessness, incapacity, and neglect. Somewhere, somehow, we screwed up. It could have been in design, build, or test. Whatever it was, we should have caught it. We were too gung ho about the schedule and we locked out all of the problems we saw each day in our work. Every element of the program was in trouble and so were we. The simulators were not working, Mission Control was behind in virtually every area, and the flight and test procedures changed daily. Nothing we did had any shelf life. Not one of us stood up and said, 'Dammit, stop!' I don't know what Thompson's committee will find as the cause, but I know what I find. We are the cause! We were not ready! We did not do our job. We were rolling the dice, hoping that things would come together by launch day, when in our hearts we knew it would take a miracle. We were pushing the schedule and betting that the Cape would slip before we did. From this day forward, Flight Control will be known by two words: 'Tough' and 'Competent.' Tough means we are forever accountable for what we do or what we fail to do. We will never again compromise our responsibilities. Every time we walk into Mission Control we will know what we stand for. Competent means we will never take anything for granted. We will never be found short in our knowledge and in our skills. Mission Control will be perfect. When you leave this meeting today you will go to your office and the first thing you will do there is to write 'Tough and Competent' on your blackboards. It will never be erased. Each day when you enter the room these words will remind you of the price paid by Grissom, White, and Chaffee. These words are the price of admission to the ranks of Mission Control."

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Re: Spaceflight

Post by Radiation Louis on Fri 8 Jul 2011 - 1:50

about 40% chance of 'GO' tomorrow weather here isn't looking good AT all and already the over 1,000,000 people expected are showing up... actually they started showing up about a week ago....



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Re: Spaceflight

Post by narboza22 on Fri 8 Jul 2011 - 1:53

Wish I was one of them Sad

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Re: Spaceflight

Post by Radiation Louis on Fri 8 Jul 2011 - 2:53

narboza trust me the traffic wouldn't be worth it, the last launch there was a traffic jam from Orlando to the Space Coast that lasted over 12 hours!!!!



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Re: Spaceflight

Post by Radiation Louis on Fri 8 Jul 2011 - 2:53

and that was with no where near as many people



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