TCC S9 Laptimes

jonnotheone wrote:An idea would be to drop the megane out of next seasons tcc and find a replacement that no one would think of there must be so many to choose from...

id just go and pick the Seat Cupra cause its just as Equal as the Megane want drop that 1 out also??

Off the top of my head I can name all these cars as being cars I've raced with in the A lobby since the current TCC spec rules were introduced (and I'm sure there are more too). Looks like a pretty comprehensive list of competitive cars to choose from to me:

Honda Civic 07
Honda Civic Si
Renault Megane
SEAT Leon Cupra
Citroen DS4
BMW 1M
BMW 135i
Hyundai Veloster
Integra 02
Kia c'eed
Volvo S60
Lexus IS300 (now removed)

^^^ Agree car list for tcc is fine was worked on for months back over a year ago

All of these times were set within 5 laps, I would pick any of these RWD's over the Megane because they set the same or better laptimes with the launch advantage at the start.

Renault Megane - 1.32.9
BMW 1M - 1.32.9
BMW 135i - 1.32.9
Vauxhall Insignia - 1.32.9
Subaru Legacy - 1.32.8
Volvo S60 - 1.33.2 (It's the Volvo's worst track by a mile will easily keep up with Meganes as proven last season.)

HCR Mad Dog wrote:All of these times were set within 5 laps, I would pick any of these RWD's over the Megane because they set the same or better laptimes with the launch advantage at the start.

Renault Megane - 1.32.9
BMW 1M - 1.32.9
BMW 135i - 1.32.9
Vauxhall Insignia - 1.32.9
Subaru Legacy - 1.32.8
Volvo S60 - 1.33.2 (It's the Volvo's worst track by a mile will easily keep up with Meganes as proven last season.)

just shows that its all in the hands of the driver more then anything also i just hit a 1.32.8 in the Megane

Solar Flar3 wrote:

jonnotheone wrote:An idea would be to drop the megane out of next seasons tcc and find a replacement that no one would think of there must be so many to choose from...

id just go and pick the Seat Cupra cause its just as Equal as the Megane want drop that 1 out also??

no need for the sarcasm mate it was as it states an idea I'm not the one complaining about the megane am I I'm in one and cant get no were near the times others are getting so its got absolutely sod all to do with the car...its the driver that drives the car not the car driving the driver

jonnotheone wrote:

Solar Flar3 wrote:

jonnotheone wrote:An idea would be to drop the megane out of next seasons tcc and find a replacement that no one would think of there must be so many to choose from...

id just go and pick the Seat Cupra cause its just as Equal as the Megane want drop that 1 out also??

no need for the sarcasm  mate it was as it states an idea I'm not the one complaining about the megane am I I'm in one and cant get no were near the times others are getting so its got absolutely sod all to do with the car...its the driver that drives the car not the car driving the driver

nah i was just pointing out to everyone that there is cars out there as Equal as the Megane look above this post and look at the times Mad Dog has put for the RWD's yeh it is the driver that does the most part the Tune/Build just helps the driver out a bit but more importantly people are only gonna get better by going over a track getting there breaking points and cornering points right, i was hitting a 1:33:6 i just gone and done another 10 laps and hit 2! 1:32.8's so yano its all about getting used to the track and giving yourself that proper Preparation for the next Track, not having a go just pointing out if anything dude youll improve the more you race also

Solar Flar3 wrote:

just shows that its all in the hands of the driver more then anything

This is what I'm trying to get at, the faster drivers are driving the so called 'cheat car' that some people are calling it. If Mad Dog can go RWD, why can't others? If you dont want to drop the megane because of all the controversy, the at least do this. open registration a couple of weeks early for the start of next season, allow a certain amount of cars from each car (9 Meganes, 9 Seats etc etc) each driver counts for 1 car taken. Not a team.. That way the grids would be more diverse, the Rae's would be full of more battles and the media guys would have a blast, rather than the same old same old, 'the megane of xNightmare84 is on pole again. The Meganes are pushing through the field to try and catch Mad Dog' it makes racing more enjoyable, rather than seeing god knows how many Meganes qualifying... You'll also get a burst of new guys come through in the higher lobbies aswell... It's just something more diverse...

Solar, it's also called grabbing a tune of Mad Dog aswell... I can go over and over a track, let's say Nordschielfe.. With my own tune and get a 7:35:xxx. I then get a tune from a guy that knows what he's doing and then I do a 7:29:xxx that's not countless laps of the track, that's the tune from someone that knows how to tune correctly.. Theres a misconception between driver skill and Car tuning... The tuning accounts for more than what people think...

And to stay on topic' I've managed a 1:33:9 in the insignia now getting there, slowly...

AMG Pr3d wrote:Solar, it's also called grabbing a tune of Mad Dog aswell... I can go over and over a track, let's say Nordschielfe.. With my own tune and get a 7:35:xxx. I then get a tune from a guy that knows what he's doing and then I do a 7:29:xxx that's not countless laps of the track, that's the tune from someone that knows how to tune correctly.. Theres a misconception between driver skill and Car tuning... The tuning accounts for more than what people think...

And to stay on topic' I've managed a 1:33:9 in the insignia now getting there, slowly...

this Debate is never ending, lets say you still have the (9 Meganes 9 Seats ect) people are still gonna moan that there are Meganes in top Lobby and if Meganes are not in the capable hands of a good driver, some people will not be saying its a cheat car people will more then likely be saying the more cars lets say BMW 135i in the A Lobby they would start calling that the cheat car its never ending

But then what is a tune worth if there's not a driver to use it...anyway as I stated at the very top get ya lines tight braking points down to a tee and 32 is very possible of course it is what am I saying people are already doing 32s lol I'm just ironing out all my lines and braking points and ill be happy with constant 33/34s.

Solar Flar3 wrote:

AMG Pr3d wrote:Solar, it's also called grabbing a tune of Mad Dog aswell... I can go over and over a track, let's say Nordschielfe.. With my own tune and get a 7:35:xxx. I then get a tune from a guy that knows what he's doing and then I do a 7:29:xxx that's not countless laps of the track, that's the tune from someone that knows how to tune correctly.. Theres a misconception between driver skill and Car tuning... The tuning accounts for more than what people think...

And to stay on topic' I've managed a 1:33:9 in the insignia now getting there, slowly...

this Debate is never ending, lets say you still have the (9 Meganes 9 Seats ect) people are still gonna moan that there are Meganes in top Lobby and if Meganes are not in the capable hands of a good driver, some people will not be saying its a cheat car people will more then likely be saying the more cars lets say BMW 135i in the A Lobby they would start calling that the cheat car its never ending

people will always moan at something that's nature if no one moaned nothing would get done lol according to my wife anyway lol...

Jonno youve done well to break into the 33's my friend keep at it

jonnotheone wrote:

Solar Flar3 wrote:

AMG Pr3d wrote:Solar, it's also called grabbing a tune of Mad Dog aswell... I can go over and over a track, let's say Nordschielfe.. With my own tune and get a 7:35:xxx. I then get a tune from a guy that knows what he's doing and then I do a 7:29:xxx that's not countless laps of the track, that's the tune from someone that knows how to tune correctly.. Theres a misconception between driver skill and Car tuning... The tuning accounts for more than what people think...

And to stay on topic' I've managed a 1:33:9 in the insignia now getting there, slowly...

this Debate is never ending, lets say you still have the (9 Meganes 9 Seats ect) people are still gonna moan that there are Meganes in top Lobby and if Meganes are not in the capable hands of a good driver, some people will not be saying its a cheat car people will more then likely be saying the more cars lets say BMW 135i in the A Lobby they would start calling that the cheat car its never ending

people will always moan at something that's nature if no one moaned nothing would get done lol according to my wife anyway lol...

to true to true mate, but instead of causing a massive uproar of why there outraged off the Meganes take it to the people who run the TCC instead of causing debates when there not necessary

Solar Flar3 wrote:Jonno youve done well to break into the 33's my friend keep at it

lol I done it once only and that was with a mad dog tune lol...

I have used 3 completely different tunes so far this year, the first race I used a tune mad dog made and since then I have used tunes I used last year ( slightly modified ). Tunes do have a large part to play in getting fast times but the driver has a larger part, also like has been said learning the tracks in the car/tune you'll be using has a big impact on lap time, the more you go round a track and learn the breaking points , entries/exits for corners the faster you'll be ultimately!

AEFR xScarhandx wrote:I have used 3 completely different tunes so far this year, the first race I used a tune mad dog made and since then I have used tunes I used last year ( slightly modified ). Tunes do have a large part to play in getting fast times but the driver has a larger part, also like has been said learning the tracks in the car/tune you'll be using has a big impact on lap time, the more you go round a track and learn the breaking points , entries/exits for corners the faster you'll be ultimately!

in reality all them little things add up, but Driver Ability is the Biggest thing you need to be nailing decent lap times

Lol...i think we need to get this topic back on track now lol......lap time so far 1:34.081 I keep loosing loads of time on the first hairpin and fourth corner keep trying to take it to fast as I think I can make it round lol...

jonnotheone wrote:Lol...i think we need to get this topic back on track now lol......lap time so far 1:34.081 I keep loosing loads of time on the first hairpin and fourth corner keep trying to take it to fast as I think I can make it round lol...

i lose alot of time in the last couple corners, just cant get them right but when i do im hitting the 32's if not im in the 1:33:2's -.-

Same here   

AMG Pr3d wrote:Solar, it's also called grabbing a tune of Mad Dog aswell... I can go over and over a track, let's say Nordschielfe.. With my own tune and get a 7:35:xxx. I then get a tune from a guy that knows what he's doing and then I do a 7:29:xxx that's not countless laps of the track, that's the tune from someone that knows how to tune correctly.. Theres a misconception between driver skill and Car tuning... The tuning accounts for more than what people think...

mad dog doesn't tune he takes the engine out and replaces it with kitties  

HCR Pinto Power wrote:

AMG Pr3d wrote:Solar, it's also called grabbing a tune of Mad Dog aswell... I can go over and over a track, let's say Nordschielfe.. With my own tune and get a 7:35:xxx. I then get a tune from a guy that knows what he's doing and then I do a 7:29:xxx that's not countless laps of the track, that's the tune from someone that knows how to tune correctly.. Theres a misconception between driver skill and Car tuning... The tuning accounts for more than what people think...

mad dog doesn't tune he takes the engine out and replaces it with kitties  

I thought it was fairy dust  

PLOW tubbi wrote:

HCR Pinto Power wrote:

AMG Pr3d wrote:Solar, it's also called grabbing a tune of Mad Dog aswell... I can go over and over a track, let's say Nordschielfe.. With my own tune and get a 7:35:xxx. I then get a tune from a guy that knows what he's doing and then I do a 7:29:xxx that's not countless laps of the track, that's the tune from someone that knows how to tune correctly.. Theres a misconception between driver skill and Car tuning... The tuning accounts for more than what people think...

mad dog doesn't tune he takes the engine out and replaces it with kitties  

I thought it was fairy dust  

he doesnt even wear a race suit its a pink lycra cat suit high heels and make up xD

So many people here who have raced in the TCC before have picked different cars for each season. I mean we even started out using the Sentra (Actually won a race in it too!) before it was called the 'Sentra of doom'. It's just a coincidence so many favour the Megane, we'd all be saying the exact same thing if loads picked the Seat or one of the Honda's or any other car as they are all competitive.

I think we should all take a moment to be proud that our Touring Car Championship is SO realistic that drivers are complaining about Vehicle Parity.

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