TCC S9 Laptimes

HCR Mad Dog wrote:
Run the HCR Tuning Logo and they're all your's

I would gladly run the logo on our 3 team cars, We got a few new guys and a couple of tunes from last year for the megane but nobody with any real tuning nouse to improve them.
Any help would be greatly appreciated Hayden, Currently i'm doing 1:19.2 on a good lap :s

I'm well pumped for the new season, TCC was fricking awesome fun last year!!

LastNewtStandin wrote:

HCR Mad Dog wrote:
Run the HCR Tuning Logo and they're all your's

I would gladly run the logo on our 3 team cars, We got a few new guys and a couple of tunes from last year for the megane but nobody with any real tuning nouse to improve them.
Any help would be greatly appreciated Hayden, Currently i'm doing 1:19.2 on a good lap :s

I'm well pumped for the new season, TCC was fricking awesome fun last year!!

I'll give it another run and see if I can get anymore time out of it then I'll fire it across

just done some early morning testing in the Volvo moving somewhat in the right direction with the tune I think mid 18s for me will be splendid lol. I will give it another blast later today see what I can actually do awake. Happy Beers  everyone.

HCR Mad Dog wrote:1:17.683 in the Megane at Catalunya

Is this in the build you sent me?

That car wasn't even at max P.I?

I have seen a Seat so far doing 17.7s as well. (Not me driving of course)

A Little Comparison. Last year I qualified at a 1:23.824 for the Catalunya National TCC Race in the BMW 135i. This year I am running 1:21.439 testing the Volvo S-60 R Design. I could go faster if the care wouldn't slide its fatarse when I step on the throttle, even if its just a gentle push of the accelerator it slides. Gonna be slowest lobby again at Catalunya. But I did improve by 2.385 Seconds...lol.

JVanEssen wrote:

HCR Mad Dog wrote:1:17.683 in the Megane at Catalunya

Is this in the build you sent me?

That car wasn't even at max P.I?

I have seen a Seat so far doing 17.7s as well.  (Not me driving of course)

Load the tune again, funny glitch that forza does

No matter what I do to the Golf I can't go faster than 1:20, hopefully other tracks suit the car more

Windcharger8199 wrote:A Little Comparison.  Last year I qualified at a 1:23.824 for the Catalunya National TCC Race in the BMW 135i.  This year I am running 1:21.439 testing the Volvo S-60 R Design.  I could go faster if the care wouldn't slide its fatarse when I step on the throttle, even if its just a gentle push of the accelerator it slides.  Gonna be slowest lobby again at Catalunya.  But I did improve by 2.385 Seconds...lol.

Any improvement is a good improvement, I'm sitting around a 1:19:5 on average in the Insignia, fastest lap in it is a 1:19:2

Not expecting to be at the sharp end of the field (so please don't predict that I will! #lol    ), but here's my times thus far in the Audi RS3:

Catalunya - 1:18.8xx
Indy GP - 1:32.2xx
Silverstone National - 1:00.8xx
Tsukuba - 59.9xx

HCR Mad Dog wrote:

JVanEssen wrote:

HCR Mad Dog wrote:1:17.683 in the Megane at Catalunya

Is this in the build you sent me?

That car wasn't even at max P.I?

I have seen a Seat so far doing 17.7s as well.  (Not me driving of course)

Load the tune again, funny glitch that forza does

Would you mind sending me this tune as well? Im stuck at 1:20, but I know that I can break into the 1:19s if the tune is bang on at least.

Throw me an FR and I'll get it across to you.

Anybody using the Legacy, it's so nice to drive & I managed a 18.0 in it at Catalunya

Well I may be wrong with my statment I made on the first page.... 1:19.865 is my best lap at cat constent 20s I had splits for an 18 but as usual I messed it up lol..

HCR Mad Dog wrote:Throw me an FR and I'll get it across to you.

Anybody using the Legacy, it's so nice to drive & I managed a 18.0 in it at Catalunya

Mate would you mind if I asked you for that megane tune you set a 17 in pretty please..

National
Megane 1:19:0xx
Legacy: 1:20.5xx
Honda Civic type R: 1:21xx

Silverstone National

Megane: 1.01.7xx

Laguna

Megane: 1.34.3xx

bit of a Update

Playing with the Audi and can't drop below 1:22.8 not sure what is up I used to be better than this lol. Making my return after a year out. Hope you are all ok

HCR Mad Dog wrote:Need a tune?

Can i try one   

I'm gonna put this out there guys.  Mad Dog can probably hit 18s on a stock tune.  Get your car balanced and feeling like its doing what you want it to do and then calm down.  Catalunya is about hitting your lines and hitting them consistently.  Watch your replays and if your turn in, apex and track outs for each turn look different each time its your driving not your tune.  I have finally hit the 18s but have not changed my tune in over a week.  The times were in me not the car.

That being said. Here are a few tips from what I have learned over the last year of learning to tune a car well.  Some things are real world some are Forza weirdness that make no sense except in the game.

Start stock! (exception being brake pressures)

Get as fast as you possibly can stock first.

Now you will know what you like or don't like about the car.

Eventually you will learn some base lines that work for you on most cars and you can fast forward to those.

I wasted a lot of time pasting other peoples tunes on and driving them but couldn't tune them because I had no idea how they got the car to that point. So if there was something that didn't work for me I had no idea how to fix it.

This usually ends in reverse tuning.  "the more I tune the slower I go"

Do some reading and understand how C.C.T works (caster, camber, toe)

The lowest ride height is not always the fastest.  

Bump and rebound are directly attached to spring rate and ride height.  You can't really change one without the other.

Spring rate baseline is a calculation not a guess.   The game gives you all the info you need to baseline.

2600lbs weight dist of 57% would look like this.

2600 x .57 = 1,482
2600 - 1,482 = 1,118
Front is 1,482 lbs
Rear is 1,118 lbs
divide both by 2.

Front spring rate is 741 lbs
Rear spring rate is 559 lbs

I will say that I have found reducing the overall spring rate by 10% usually works a little better in Forza.

Brake bias in Forza is stupid but works well in reverse.  If you are getting any unwanted steer input when you get off of the brakes during turn in move the bias more to the back or closer to center to adjust for the steer kick.

Last I think is tune in the cockpit view.  Even if you race in another view.  In the cockpit you can feel the back end step out or the front end push through a little more clear.

This you will use to set your roll bars to taste.

Now some of the fast guys can tell me I am all wrong on this but I have moved from a back of C lobby guy to a nipping at A lobby guy by just slowing down and following these steps.

Rant over.

Or just twiddle the bars until it drives nice!

Like I said you can go faster than most in a stock tune. HA!

HCR Mad Dog wrote:Or just twiddle the bars until it drives nice!

+1   

Although I will try what jvanessen has said, might be a tad quicker than trial and error.  

Trial and error is the only way

but a calculated start point is by far a much nicer place to start with!!

I personally have found a car that behaves in a slower/softer manor is much more predictable and that makes hitting them markers easier.

yes you might get one lap in every 10 thats awsome and half a second faster than the rest but if u go a tenth faster every lap for 10 laps thats a whole second you have gained.

but in all fairness it's seat time and them little driving style touches that make the time up! late on the brake, bang on the apex and early on the throttle!

on average i'll need in excess of 200 laps before i get the times other people can do in 2

dave sp2 wrote:on average i'll need in excess of 200 laps before i get the times other people can do in 2

It takes me at least 200 laps to get within a couple seconds of what some people can do in two. Hate it when my best lap is comparable to others' out lap in qualifying.

dave sp2 wrote:Trial and error is the only way

but a calculated start point is by far a much nicer place to start with!!

I personally have found a car that behaves in a slower/softer manor is much more predictable and that makes hitting them markers easier.

yes you might get one lap in every 10 thats awsome and half a second faster than the rest but if u go a tenth faster every lap for 10 laps thats a whole second you have gained.

but in all fairness it's seat time and them little driving style touches that make the time up! late on the brake, bang on the apex and early on the throttle!

on average i'll need in excess of 200 laps before i get the times other people can do in 2

It's all about the Sunday drive. to be fast believe in the miracles lol.

17.7 in the Kia C Apostrophe D. The thing is a beast

Just scraped a 1:18.7xx in the Audi.
Cannot wait to get Catalunya over with as it's not a particularly strong track for me. God knows how some of you are doing 1:17's