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Post by Freheliaz Fri 7 Apr 2017 - 9:10

I can help hosting stints for this event. Just tell me the lobby settings and walk me through it the first time. Internet is fast enough.
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Post by ESV Moshys Fri 7 Apr 2017 - 10:54

when is the live timing thread going up?
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Post by Dragonsyoung Fri 7 Apr 2017 - 11:24

Exploiting advantages should be tora's new mantra.
4 tires past the line is unsporting.

Best of luck to all drivers.
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Post by HCR Motorhead Fri 7 Apr 2017 - 15:20

Dragonsyoung wrote:Exploiting advantages should be tora's new mantra.
4 tires past the line is unsporting.

Best of luck to all drivers.

Where? Going 4 wheels off here anywhere here is dirty.
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Post by F4H Xyloto Fri 7 Apr 2017 - 15:30

HCR Motorhead wrote:
Dragonsyoung wrote:Exploiting advantages should be tora's new mantra.
4 tires past the line is unsporting.

Best of luck to all drivers.
Like a Star @ heaven

Where? Going 4 wheels off here anywhere here is dirty.

My guess would be the first or second corner of Maggots-Beckets? Anywhere else is Forza dirty.
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Post by ESV Moshys Fri 7 Apr 2017 - 15:33

you cant go 4 wheels off anywhere here only 2 which is legal isn't it?
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Post by Diablo 29x Fri 7 Apr 2017 - 16:01

Using "Forza clean" lines vs. TORA rules is only going to get you a half second at the very most at Silverstone. Anything beyond that is down to your tune and ability.

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Post by FIA LMC Alflo Fri 7 Apr 2017 - 16:20

Two questions:
When you update the qualifiying of q3
How many pit stops to do ?
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Post by ATP Rage Fri 7 Apr 2017 - 17:39

FIA LMC ALFL0 wrote:Two questions:
When you update the qualifiying of q3
How many pit stops to do ?

It has been updated in the 1st post in this thread:
6 for LMP and 4 for GT.
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Post by Dragonsyoung Fri 7 Apr 2017 - 21:05

TORA has rules and we need to fallow them not Forza. I saw it so i speak up not anyone driver but nearly all.

Keep 2 on the black stuff.

I expect Stewards decisions will take care of anyone doing it in the race, For streamed lobby's i do hope to see more of the mid race decisions handed down.

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Post by ShrinkingSteven Sat 8 Apr 2017 - 22:26

Driving standards in LMP1 class.... Use your brain guys....
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Post by HCR ChicaiN Sat 8 Apr 2017 - 23:12

Spun in race 2. Spun in race 3 (while battling for 3rd) with catastrophic damage. Both because of overly aggressive driving and passing. To top it off...lag out. Both of my, what would have been great battles in class, ruined. Our overall race...ruined. Pretty damn disappointed with what I saw on track today. If someone has the race replays from A lobby...please let me know.

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Post by HCR Carlson Sat 8 Apr 2017 - 23:19

Had a top 10 result pretty much in the big, and than I get hit by the first lag out I've experience in over a year. Just my luck. Mad
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Post by HCR Motorhead Sun 9 Apr 2017 - 1:14

A lot of antics to clear up for next round.

Blue flags are blue flags. I got impeded by no less than 1. I'd never done below 90 at Stowe corner even in traffic until I was battling past a lower order driver for a lap in class. This should not happen. Yield and make it easy, and it won't affect either if us that much.

GTs must not be so [Censored] ambiguous. Stick to your line, that's the [Censored] rule. If a Prototype hits you and you're on your line, it's on them. But if you suddenly move around even if it's with good intentions in mind, then anything that goes wrong is your fault. I saw so many people take ambiguous lines, I wasn't sure if they were taking what I'd see as a preferred GT line and instead would be where I'd want to pass around them. You can't moan if you get hit when you're wobbling around all the corners.
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Post by SFM Cowmaster Sun 9 Apr 2017 - 5:24

As a counterpoint, during stint one the LMP drivers were driving so aggressively that it wouldn't matter what we did. The number of times I had an LMP car launch it down the inside of my from ridiculously far back and then clip me was insane. We have a race to run too and less room for error and should not have to try and guess how crazy the guy behind you is. You can wait a turn or two to get around. Yeah it may hurt you but not as badly as if you collide with the car you are passing. Also, track limits were atrocious. Its hard enough to know where an LMP will go on track much less if they decide off the track is fair game to pass

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Post by SFM Cowmaster Sun 9 Apr 2017 - 5:25

As a counterpoint, during stint one the LMP drivers were driving so aggressively that it wouldn't matter what we did. The number of times I had an LMP car launch it down the inside of my from ridiculously far back and then clip me was insane. We have a race to run too and less room for error and should not have to try and guess how crazy the guy behind you is. You can wait a turn or two to get around. Yeah it may hurt you but not as badly as if you collide with the car you are passing. Also, track limits were atrocious. Its hard enough to know where an LMP will go on track much less if they decide off the track is fair game to pass

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Post by HCR Motorhead Sun 9 Apr 2017 - 11:10

I'm not defending the prototypes because there did seem to be some common denominators out there. That's why it's important to get game clips. I would encourage streaming but that can cause unnecessary lag unless you're really confident that your internet is unimpeachable.

As a staff member who naturally deals with the stewarding side, I keep saying this to people: we can't give what we can't see. If you see something that ought to be looked at, point us towards it through the official channels with the evidence we need.
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Post by HCR Hamish Sun 9 Apr 2017 - 12:16

TheCowmaster934 wrote:As a counterpoint, during stint one the LMP drivers were driving so aggressively that it wouldn't matter what we did.  The number of times I had an LMP car launch it down the inside of my from ridiculously far back and then clip me was insane.  We have a race to run too and less room for error and should not have to try and guess how crazy the guy behind you is.  You can wait a turn or two to get around.  Yeah it may hurt you but not as badly as if you collide with the car you are passing.  Also, track limits were atrocious.  Its hard enough to know where an LMP will go on track much less if they decide off the track is fair game to pass


What you're seeing as a mad dive probably isn't to the lmp car. I don't know the circumstances you're referring to but from my point of view I make a clean pass down the inside of a turn on braking to get 3/4 of my car ahead only for the GT to the turn in as if there is no car there and take us both out. I know you've to stick to you're line but it needs to be remembered that it's still a pass even if it's from a faster class. As for passing off the track it happened to me a few times where I've picked a side to pass only for the car to keep moving over to the edge and push me off the track. I'm not saying the lmps were perfect as I have made massive blunders before, but I think both sides could do with making a massive improvement for the next race. Also I think there are some lmps that need to read the blue flags rules. Defending like it's for the lead on the last lap while you're being lapped is not acceptable.
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Post by F4H Xyloto Sun 9 Apr 2017 - 16:02

As a driver that flits between both classes Enduro to Enduro it seems, I see it both ways. Interestingly, I had problems not with GT cars blocking me, although I won't say it didn't happen (it totally did), but with GT cars trying to give me all of the track by clambering over curbs and such. Makes it really scary to pass if I don't know what you're doing. On the flip side though, it's scary every time for GT cars because they just have to look behind and trust that the LMP won't screw it up. I find it best to just hold my line in a GT car, be very predictable. If an LMP is gonna divebomb me, I might just brake early, essentially let him through, and get a good exit. It's not easy racing multiclass, and I think these kind of problems will continue on, because LMP and GT drivers hate each other (kappa), but with some heads up driving, there should hopefully be fewer experiences of it next time around. Great race everyone!
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Post by WildmanCB Sun 9 Apr 2017 - 17:43

As this being my first big Endurance race and multi class to boot too I was pleased on how I did. The plan was simple for me, dont wreck and keep pace as much as possible. Id like think I did this well. Overall I had a good time and hope I get the chance to run the next race too. Hopefully I wasnt any big trouble for proto type racers. I kept my race line best I could especially after a pit stop.
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Post by Dragonsyoung Mon 10 Apr 2017 - 0:19

Lobby 2 stint 3 had at least one GT driver who lacked the race craft to be safe in traffic. The Ferrari driver caused at least 2 major crash's. I had the receiving end of 3 nasty incidents, drivers of stint 3 need to be look into.

My apologies to the drivers affected by my rotating efforts.


Noticed that team Visit Exeter was 5th on race day explanation please as to the change.
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Post by SFM Darkzer Mon 10 Apr 2017 - 3:12

Had a lot of fun, but I'm still steaming mad at the FIA teams, all 3 of them in A lobby. Every one of them hit me at some point, and thanks to Cortana being on vacation in Queensland, I have no clips. Stint 1 I lost almost a mile from getting stomped, and stint 3 the GT car smacked me out of Maggot's, he essentially stopped turning. ARRUYUELO (spelling) brake checked me into Beckett's and broke like everything, then knocked me off to make his pass late race.

At least everyone else was chill for the most part, looking forward to the next one.
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Post by Matt Mon 10 Apr 2017 - 10:35

To clear up the lappery points from above here's the bottom line;

GT cars are expected to hold their line through corners and LMP guys must cleanly make their past at an appropriate point.
As an example the Maggotts/Becketts complex has - realistically - 2 passing points. 1st is the first left hander of Becketts and the second being the following right.
There's also the option to pass on the outside into Chapel following the complex immediately.
Forza makes things more difficult for us by adding in silly tyre walls across the run off areas to reduce corner cutting (sigh). The knock on effect of this is to heavily reduce the options for cars forced off line by passing LMP or whatever. What would/should be an irritating run off the track and rejoin can become an enormous accident.
I do not agree with the tyre walls and I've made this abundantly clear with T10. However, it's the cards we've been dealt so drivers need to have much more sense when passing in tighter areas of circuits.
It all comes down to respect. Yes you may be in a tight battle but so may the people you're passing.
Before you pass - THINK!
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Post by FIA LMC Alflo Mon 10 Apr 2017 - 11:32

Sorry to tell you that but I ran into one and I saw all other races and no FIA driver hit you I even received complaints from you from a pilot that you kicked you off the track and broke the car
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Post by SVR Solar Mon 10 Apr 2017 - 16:48

the FIA LMP Guys, weren't Friendly in side by side action, i think at 1 point i had 2 fight from the back at 1 point Cause of 1 of them. but it is what it is.

i want 2 Apologize to any GT Cars, i dive Bombed the crap out of, the start off my Stint was the worst i've had in my Entire TORA History, and i was just racing on Rage at the first Half of the stint, so therefore im sorry if i messed anyone up. but from what i recall i only gave little scrubs here and there. no major contact Smile

good racing all around. and hope u guys enjoyed the stream Smile Back with SPA Next Month Wink
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