TORA 12 Hours of Sebring - General Discussion

Peader24 wrote:

Flyin Mikey J wrote:Suggestion for next time... ONE CAR ENTRY per post. This four GTEs in every post crap is rather unfair.

Yeah sucks man, my team had four drivers that were definitely going to race the full season too.

This. Or just have more allocations/none.

Cheers for feedback all so far look we are taking note so please give constructive criticism, this is very much welcome.

Richy is away on a north sea oil rig he will be on-line later so will answer as many questions as possible.

Like I said please post feeback.

I personally think car caps should be done away with. I understand why they are in place and I think it's good that you guys want diversity within the field because it makes for good viewing and can make for good racing.

However, if the cars are as balanced as you guys say (Which I trust, having not driven any GT's, and only a few P1's), then the diversity should come naturally as different cars work for different people. Instead of having a chaotic first few minutes where everyone posts, nobody knows if they have their car, and then they have to reassess sometime later when they discover their car choice is gone and other cars have already been chosen.

Just my 2c.

Car caps do increase diversity as we all know people will gravitate towards the best car or cars. That's virtual racing. We are trying to provide a scenario as close to real racing as possible for that to happen you need a grid whereby people aren't all racing a Ferrari or a Lola mazda or what have you
I'd also like to point out that I too missed out on my ideal car. But have made another choice for the benefit of my team mates so we are at least in the race and rolling. Remember, if you're not in it, you can't win it!

F4H bandicoot wrote:I personally think car caps should be done away with. I understand why they are in place and I think it's good that you guys want diversity within the field because it makes for good viewing and can make for good racing.

it also makes the lobbies easier to divide up equally so there arent 2-3 prototypes in one lobby and 7-8 in another...

gen3ral ts0 wrote:

F4H bandicoot wrote:I personally think car caps should be done away with. I understand why they are in place and I think it's good that you guys want diversity within the field because it makes for good viewing and can make for good racing.

it also makes the lobbies easier to divide up equally so there arent 2-3 prototypes in one lobby and 7-8 in another...

You could still cap P1 and GT, just not individual cars, that's what I'm saying.

I understand how you guys found all cars in stock trim to be even laptime-wise. However, did you guys consider the tunability and outright speed of some cars? It does theoretically come down to "Car X is easier to drive where Car Y goes fastest, and Car Z just sucks."

Case-in-point? The cars that, after tuning, everyone I talked to agreed upon were the best (Ford and Vette) went immediately, the easier-to-drive cars that had some decent pace went next (BMW and Ferrari), after that was the car that has something salvagable to it (Panoz), and what's left is a bunch of cars that everyone I talked to was scratching their heads at what to do with (Lambo, Jag, Porsche, Viper, and Aston). The only reason I chose the Jaguar was because I know how easy-to-drive it is, but I'm still considering switching to the Gallardo.


And hell, even the one with the best connection doesn't always win. Sure, it worked for HR-Turner at Britcar (after we started in C lobby and rolled the car a combined 6 different occations), but on the opposite side of that VVV annihilated the field at Nurburgring with outright speed AND a good connection. Now I know they're not here to do the same after they pulled their entry, but I have to admit I feel like Sebring is short enough with enough faster drivers to rely on Pace more than Connectivity.

We lost Nurburgring because my wheel died but it wasn't the car Hailfire. That S2000 was pitiful to drive. I do understand your point but that wasn't the best example.

a WORM a wrote:We lost Nurburgring because my wheel died but it wasn't the car Hailfire. That S2000 was pitiful to drive. I do understand your point but that wasn't the best example.

Ah, I think you might have read slightly more into it than I intended. I meant that these races CAN be won by outright speed, and having the best car certainly gives you an advantage. Not saying you had the best car there, but to have the best car would help me keep up

F4H bandicoot wrote:

gen3ral ts0 wrote:

F4H bandicoot wrote:I personally think car caps should be done away with. I understand why they are in place and I think it's good that you guys want diversity within the field because it makes for good viewing and can make for good racing.

it also makes the lobbies easier to divide up equally so there arent 2-3 prototypes in one lobby and 7-8 in another...

You could still cap P1 and GT, just not individual cars, that's what I'm saying.

ah, i see. well then i am in agreement with this and hope this is implemented

Only problem is you have to look at Roadrunner's post from a few pages back. ~15 people would have Corvettes, ~8 people would have Fords, and a couple would take Ferraris or BMWs. Of the first 32 cars, there'd be no diversity.

I understand the purpose of what TORA does with it. Its annoying and there should be other restrictions to it, but I understand it.

ya, if you do that you end up with an unintended spec race

First make a team entry thread, teams that wish to compete post in that thread.

Then put those entries into a random drawing that coordinates the order of picking the cars.

Team that gets drawn first gets first picked, 2nd team gets 2nd pick n so forth. No more mad dash and the craziness.

Then for the next race entry thread, the order gets reversed and then reset at the end of the year.

How does that sound? Rough idea and can tweaked but just an idea

You could just balance the cars instead of basing it off the results from another series. All you end up doing there is balancing drivers.

The rules say you have to run the same car at Sebring and Le Mans so you choose off of that. The Corvette does 192 mph and the Aston does 178. What car are you going to choose?

I shouldn't have to rely on someone's misfortune to compete if I don't get the car I want.

XPR Soundwave wrote:First make a team entry thread, teams that wish to compete post in that thread.

Then put those entries into a random drawing that coordinates the order of picking the cars.

Team that gets drawn first gets first picked, 2nd team gets 2nd pick n so forth. No more mad dash and the craziness.

Then for the next race entry thread, the order gets reversed and then reset at the end of the year.

How does that sound? Rough idea and can tweaked but just an idea

I would prefer that the registration order is based somehow on the the previous endurance races results.

Drake Hellspawn wrote:

XPR Soundwave wrote:First make a team entry thread, teams that wish to compete post in that thread.

Then put those entries into a random drawing that coordinates the order of picking the cars.

Team that gets drawn first gets first picked, 2nd team gets 2nd pick n so forth. No more mad dash and the craziness.

Then for the next race entry thread, the order gets reversed and then reset at the end of the year.

How does that sound? Rough idea and can tweaked but just an idea

I would prefer that the registration order is based somehow on the the previous endurance races results.

Then the same people will get the better cars and people will complain about that.

a WORM a wrote:You could just balance the cars instead of basing it off the results from another series. All you end up doing there is balancing drivers.

The rules say you have to run the same car at Sebring and Le Mans so you choose off of that. The Corvette does 192 mph and the Aston does 178. What car are you going to choose?

I shouldn't have to rely on someone's misfortune to compete if I don't get the car I want.

I agree here.

F4H Diablo wrote:

Drake Hellspawn wrote:

XPR Soundwave wrote:First make a team entry thread, teams that wish to compete post in that thread.

Then put those entries into a random drawing that coordinates the order of picking the cars.

Team that gets drawn first gets first picked, 2nd team gets 2nd pick n so forth. No more mad dash and the craziness.

Then for the next race entry thread, the order gets reversed and then reset at the end of the year.

How does that sound? Rough idea and can tweaked but just an idea

I would prefer that the registration order is based somehow on the the previous endurance races results.

Then the same people will get the better cars and people will complain about that.

I said based off of. Could be in reverse order.

Then the winners would complain about that

F4H Diablo wrote:Then the winners would complain about that

FormulaForza's done it right, and I don't like saying that.

Hailfire97x wrote:Only problem is you have to look at Roadrunner's post from a few pages back. ~15 people would have Corvettes, ~8 people would have Fords, and a couple would take Ferraris or BMWs. Of the first 32 cars, there'd be no diversity.

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In general if you balance the cars well diversity comes naturally.

cheers all for feedback staff are taking note remember constructive criticism with feedback of how to implement new ideas is best

I still believe cars are balanced for Sebring and understand concerns for Le Mans which I have raised with rest of staff cheers all

Are you picking cars for Sebring or Le Mans? I haven't seen anything anywhere that says that we've locked these builds for the whole TEC (just throwing this out there as my personal POV, not an "official TORA comment"). Could the cars be rebalanced for each round?

Car Choice

Car Choice will be locked-in for Teams over certain events. Sebring and Le Mans will share the same Car List, and a Team that enters into Sebring must use the same Car for Le Mans. Teams may break apart to change cars for Le Mans after Sebring, however this Team will be seen as a new Team and will not be allowed to continue scoring points for the TEC Teams Championship.

What i like to see stopped is Teams posting with several members the same entry. That should be stopped.
It happend with the TCC and now again in TEC.
And Editing of posts was not allowed still it happend.