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Post by F4H mikem on Sun 22 Sep 2013 - 23:08

Comparison of COTA lap times for different cars on the long course so far. These are track records for their respective classes.

F1 Red Bull RB8 - 1:35.657

WEC LMP1 Audi R18 - 1:47.3
ALMS P1 Muscle Milk HPD ARX-03a - 1:53.7

WEC LMP2 ORECA 03 - Nissan - 1:54.5
ALMS P2 HPD ARX-03b - 1:57.4

ALMS PC ORECA FLM09 - 1:59.7
Grand-Am Corvette DP - 1:59.8

DeltaWing LM12 2:03.266

WEC LMGTE Ferrari 458 - 2:03.5
ALMS GT SRT Viper GTS-R - 2:05.0
Grand-Am GT Ferrari 458 - 2:08.8
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Re: COTA lap times comparison

Post by BG Beanz on Sun 22 Sep 2013 - 23:25

Just goes to show just how fast an F1 car is compared to already fast cars! Shocked 
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Post by nickyf1 on Sun 22 Sep 2013 - 23:48

It would be interesting to see where Indycar would fit on this.
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Post by ShrinkingSteven on Mon 23 Sep 2013 - 0:12

nickyf1 wrote:It would be interesting to see where Indycar would fit on this.
That and something like a Bike from Moto GP maybe?
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Post by BG Beanz on Mon 23 Sep 2013 - 7:53

ShrinkingSteven wrote:
nickyf1 wrote:It would be interesting to see where Indycar would fit on this.
That and something like a Bike from Moto GP maybe?
The RC213V (the 2013 Honda MotoGP bike) at the hands of Marc Marquez did a 2:03.021 in qualifying this year.
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Post by CQR Rogue on Mon 23 Sep 2013 - 8:18

Note next year LMP cars at time will have between 800 - 1000 BHP when hyrbid systems on full!

If any 1 watched the race yesterday good debate about which is more difficult to drive a lmp and F1 car, bearing mind a LMP1 car has more downforce at le mans than a f1 car has when in high downforce trim (LMP1 weighs a lot more than a f1 car)




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Post by Flyin Mikey J on Mon 23 Sep 2013 - 8:31

And to think, by January, the USCR has to performance balance these two...

ALMS P2 HPD ARX-03b - 1:57.4
Grand-Am Corvette DP - 1:59.8

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Re: COTA lap times comparison

Post by CQR Rogue on Mon 23 Sep 2013 - 8:42

Yep and if you get any more euopean p2 cars - WEC LMP2 ORECA 03 - Nissan - 1:54.5 oh dear




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Post by BG Beanz on Mon 23 Sep 2013 - 11:05

SelectiveRogue wrote:If any 1 watched the race yesterday good debate about which is more difficult to drive a lmp and F1 car, bearing mind a LMP1 car has more downforce at le mans than a f1 car has when in high downforce trim (LMP1 weighs a lot more than a f1 car)
Yeah i was watching for this bit, made for some good TV.
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Post by nickyf1 on Mon 23 Sep 2013 - 11:17

SelectiveRogue wrote:Note next year LMP cars at time will have between 800 - 1000 BHP when hyrbid systems on full!

If any 1 watched the race yesterday good debate about which is more difficult to drive a lmp and F1 car, bearing mind a LMP1 car has more downforce at le mans than a f1 car has when in high downforce trim (LMP1 weighs a lot more than a f1 car)
Don't LMP cars use a lot of electronic driver aids? I'm sure I've seen ABS and TCS buttons on an Audi R18 steering wheel. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by Standaman94 on Mon 23 Sep 2013 - 11:30

Hybrid systems are generally very heavy as well, with batteries and alternators and whatnot. Not sure about torque on a Hyrbid, but the Tesla has potentially infinite torque, and with TCS that would be more of a hinderance I would have thought.







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Post by nickyf1 on Mon 23 Sep 2013 - 11:56

Definitely, all TCS would do would virtually stall the car out of corners. Annoying.

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Re: COTA lap times comparison

Post by CQR Rogue on Mon 23 Sep 2013 - 13:07

Nicky if you get a chance have listen back to wec coverage Smile




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Re: COTA lap times comparison

Post by F4H Lotterer on Mon 23 Sep 2013 - 13:37

nickyf1 wrote:
SelectiveRogue wrote:Note next year LMP cars at time will have between 800 - 1000 BHP when hyrbid systems on full!

If any 1 watched the race yesterday good debate about which is more difficult to drive a lmp and F1 car, bearing mind a LMP1 car has more downforce at le mans than a f1 car has when in high downforce trim (LMP1 weighs a lot more than a f1 car)
Don't LMP cars use a lot of electronic driver aids?  I'm sure I've seen ABS and TCS buttons on an Audi R18 steering wheel.  Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yes Nicky the LMP cars do use aids but this is not due to the car/driver needing them its about developing technology that is then used in everyday road cars ,were F1 cars are fast and nimble they provide nothing for the real world as there counterparts in WEC actually provide much needed improvements like seat belts that were developed for Le Mans.
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Re: COTA lap times comparison

Post by F4H Drake on Mon 23 Sep 2013 - 19:07

They only have TCS, no ABS. The TCS on the Audi must be pretty clever considering there is not spark to cut...

I'd imagine that the ALMS LMP2 and GT could've gone faster if they needed to and/or if track conditions were as good on Saturday as they were on Sunday. The track had been rained out on Friday, and when the WEC got to race on Sunday the track had more rubber down and ambient temperature were not nearly as hot as they were on Saturday.
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