Catalunya National Corner Cutting - Warning to all drivers

Ok guys, it was apparent last night during our testing that you could easily cut a second off of your lap by skipping over the green tarmac on 3 corners towards the end of the lap. This is something I wish to avoid. I know alot of you guys are fair racers and won't do it intentionally. I know that when 3-4 cars are battling each other they may have to take avoiding action across the green stuff, thats fine. But what I don't want to see is blatent use of the green tarmac to gain an advantage lap after lap, especially during qualifying. I am putting this warning up that I expect everybody to actually drive around the chicanes at the end. If you don't and you gain a clear advantage and you do it consitantly then I will be handing our either points penalties at the end of the race or qualifying penalties for the next round. We obviously can't sit and watch all the qualy laps during the time between qualy and the first race so these will all be viewed after the meeting tonight.

Here is some pics of what I am talking about:

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Like I said, I think everyone will try have clean laps and will stick to the boundries of the track. The CORRECT versions I have posted is the LIMIT we will be going to, less would be better but you are still on the track at those points.

Constant skipping will give you a penalty. I realize that racing and out breaking yourself can cause you to have to take to the green tarmac unintentionally. I accept that. Just some common sense will be fine.

Cheers

I wish we could go back to the old time penalty system from FM2.

I thought cutting the last green tarmac actually slowed your car down like sticky tarmac..

I understand the rule but in the heat of the moment it's tough to get right.
I never try to cut but sometimes you overcook it and if you try to correct it then you lose so so much more time.

Anyway look at Plato, tell him not to take Copse wide, he did all race long

Yeh but were stricter here at TORA, If we say no we mean it and you shall feel our wrath!! lol

@ Monkey - Yeah I know exactly what you mean, and yes its inevitable that you will skip over them at some point I just wouldn' t like to see it happen during qualifying and all night.

@Avenger - Nah it doesn't, those lines I took in the pics were at full speed and the sticky stuff didn't catch me once. Worst bit of track in FM3 imo for it

Basically more than two wheels off the track and its illegal.I thought untill last night there was sticking grass there.

Pretty much

Anyone caught doing it, should be made to do some gardening.

This is why sometimes i wished the old catalunya layout was usable

You wouldn't need to worry about this, if you mandated that all qualifying laps were certified. Turn off the collisions, require certified laps, and ban corner cutting. It is my biggest pet pieve from everyone that I bring over to TORA. It just doesn't seem realistic if you allow people to draft, or corner cut, during qualifying. During the race, if you have the standard in place that you will try and certify all of your laps, you will have cleaner racers avoiding cutting the track whenever possible.

AAR Gashi wrote:You wouldn't need to worry about this, if you mandated that all qualifying laps were certified.

I like that idea, but I always try to keep all of my qualifying laps dirty. This prevents me from ruining qualifying by using my start lap if it happens to be my only clean lap. I do have to purposely dirty it up sometimes but never by cutting a corner; usually me sticking a few wheels in the dirt on the straightaway. If anything, that slows me down but then people can't say I cut corners or have any advantages. Plus, I don't have to stick with a laptime 4-5 seconds slower because I run a clean lap. I never really noticed if collisions are on or off, but I'm a little confused on how you would know if the laps are cleaner. I suppose if the laptimes show up in order, that would be the biggest hint, but at least personally, I have never been able to see if other people's laps are clean or not. I definitely do believe a few more restrictions are in order if we want cleaner fairer times and races, though with all the changes going on, I wouldn't worry about this stuff right now though.

If you run with collisions off, you won't uncertify your lap by drafting. If you compare by best lap, the drivers with clean laps will be ahead of a driver with a dirty lap, no matter what the time is.

But lets say someone quilys but only with dirty laps then what happens gashi?

There lap time will still be the quicker time but the clean lap will be displayed at the top of the list even if slower on the compair fastest lap setting, I don't think we should worry to much as there ain't to many tracks you can cut and go a hole lot faster, but last night was one.

Why don't you just make everyone do a clean run on the first lap. I know it's frustrating if you mess the rest of your laps up but tbh I would prefer if you HAVE to set a clean time. If your best lap is dirty then you should be behind the slowest CLEAN time.

Yes i suppose an exception can be made at certain tracks, take Le Sarthe for example...getting round there clean is an achievement in itself but getting a clean lap round Catalunya, Suzuka, Silverstone etc really isn't hard.

is there any penaltys from qualy?

No

VVV Slim wrote:If your best lap is dirty then you should be behind the slowest CLEAN time.

I think thats a bit harsh. The problem is that the flagged laps don't really differentiate between cheating and just being a bit sloppy.

You could drop it on the exit of a corner or touch the grass on the straight and both of these things will slow you down but you'd end up penalised the same way as someone who was going out of their way to cut a corner.

I know the argument that in five or so laps you should be able to run at least one clean lap. But the pressure to go fast and get it right on the night can really get to you and I know I've had to do a few heroic last laps to save my qualifying before now.

And like Ian said theres only a few tracks (its open for debate) we use that you're going to get that much benefit from cutting anyway.

I don't think any of us are daft enough to go cutting all the corners. We're all clean and fair racers I just posted this a friendly reminder was all