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Post by Biggsy tv Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 18:22

Whats the point. It aint gonna happen! A deal is a deal. The only way you'll make a point to Bernie is stop watching F1. Get a new fav motorsport
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Post by AMR of the Apex Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 18:25

Way ahead of you Simon.

Its about time the F1 fans decided to go on strike instead of the teams, that means not only deciding not to subscribe to sky sports, but also everythign that F1 puts their logo on, and that includes the next f1 game, not just the crappy in car air fresheners, or the christmas deoderants.

Nothing will get the message across better.
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Post by CQR Aero Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 18:30

If I had Sky (which I don't, and won't be getting just for F1), I would only "not mind" so much if they took the Beeb's team on to run/produce it for them - they're obviously a proven team of people and the coverage this year has rightfully won awards - it's been excellent.

One thing that would be quite cool if we all had Sky would be to watch it via the xbox theatre - seeing all our avatars sat watching the race, emoting at the drivers etc, and sitting in a party (can you tell I'm the only person in my house that watches it?!?) commenting on the action.

Saying all this though, I am deeply disappointed.
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Post by AMR of the Apex Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 18:31

lfcnicklfc wrote:
I can guarantee that won't happen for 2/3's of the season because of the football, that always takes preference over F1 in pubs and just because F1's going to be shown on Sky that won't change!

Funny that, considering that MotorSPORT is a....well...SPORT , and Football is a GAME.
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Post by CQR Aero Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 18:32

ADx Garage wrote:Way ahead of you Simon.

Its about time the F1 fans decided to go on strike instead of the teams, that means not only deciding not to subscribe to sky sports, but also everythign that F1 puts their logo on, and that includes the next f1 game, not just the crappy in car air fresheners, or the christmas deoderants.

Nothing will get the message across better.

Everyone not buying the F1 game may well hurt a lot of perfectly innocent staff at Codemasters Birmingham.
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Post by AMR of the Apex Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 18:33

Were they not paid by FOM to make the game?
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Post by johnnyboy360 Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 18:37

I honestly believe that not buying F1 2011 will not hurt F1 a bit. Because, Codemasters must have paid for the license? Correct me if I'm wrong but I can't understand F1 paying them to do it? Dunno but if that's the case, then it will only hurt Codemasters again. I dunno, but we gotta boycott F1 somehow. We need to get a huge group to all send complaints or F1 is gonna lose a LOT of fans.

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Post by AMR of the Apex Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 18:38

Nobody's going to listen to complaints, we need to hit them where it hurts, their wallets.
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Post by johnnyboy360 Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 18:42

Yeah, in that case get a big group together and stop buying F1 related stuff.

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Post by AMR of the Apex Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 18:47

johnnyboy360 wrote:Yeah, in that case get a big group together and stop buying F1 related stuff.

And also getting rid of anything Sky related. Will soon be ditching the skybox in favour of virgin media, I lost a lot of interest in sky since they saked Andy Gray for "being sexist" while keeping the dumb blondes on the sky sports news desk, and the "soccerettes" on Soccer AM, but I'm going off topic here, sorely tempted to ask to have a subscription without any of the sky channels whatsoever, surely Branson or one of his media underlings would have come up with some kind of non-sky deal...
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Post by johnnyboy360 Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 18:51

Virgin Media do some great deals and their broadband is amazing!

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Post by HCR generaltso Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 18:52

ADx Garage wrote:Nobody's going to listen to complaints, we need to hit them where it hurts, their wallets.

exactly.
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Post by lfcnicklfc Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 19:03

Found the best F1 tweet a couple of minutes ago about the Sky thingy from Grand Prix Diary

I calculated that to pay for F1 on Sky I need to reduce my beer intake by 175 pints annually.

Tough choice but i know which i'd prefer!
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Post by AMR of the Apex Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 20:34

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Post by johnnyboy360 Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 21:08

Everyone is saying the exact same thing Adrian. Ecclestone said paying for F1 would be bad and suicidal. If I was him, I would kill off F1 at the end of the year to save it from its misery!

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Post by Stonewall458 Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 21:16

I'd be okay with that. Make people start watching proper motorsport like the WEC and ILMC. Razz
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Post by AMR of the Apex Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 21:52

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Post by johnnyboy360 Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 22:09

Can someone do that to Bernie and Rupert now?

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Post by AMR of the Apex Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 22:21

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Post by Ax4x Chaddy Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 22:40

if the viewers from GB drop hugely after 2 or 3 races next year the penny will drop eh
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Post by johnnyboy360 Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 23:00

Hopefully Chad. I reckon they will though. If they go back to Free to View. I have a feeling it will be an ad-supported channel. BBC will not take it back as its too much money, possibly go to Channel 4 or back to ITV.

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Post by AMR of the Apex Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 23:19

Keith Heuwen is a douchebag

Pay-to-view sport: why it's the future

With some fans angry over the UK's newly-announced broadcast coalition for 2012, Sky Sports presenter and former motorcycle racer Keith Huewen explains why he thinks pay-to-view TV is the way forward for live sport

By Keith Heuwen
Sky Sports presenter


So the news is out - Formula 1 will be on Sky Sports from 2012. Despite months of speculation, the best-kept secret at Sky Sports broke on Friday July 29. F1 is one of the prized, last big-subscription 'drivers' left for the London-based organisation, and it wanted it.

There is no rocket science here, the cost of 21st century sports broadcasting is so high that free-to-air broadcasters are under siege as they wrestle with shrinking budgets, burgeoning rights fees and the cost of new technologies to bring our favourite programmes into our lives.

And so a coalition of a more interesting kind is born in Britain. Who will end up being the stronger party remains to be seen, but for now fans can relish the battle of two big broadcasters to bring us the best F1 coverage ever seen. It's enough to stand the hairs up on every fan's neck!

There will, of course, be the usual outcries from people automatically opposed to absolutely anything to do with subscription TV. Change is difficult; not everyone likes it, and paying more for that change makes it all the harder. But value cannot be measured by how cheap something is, only how the price compares to the product. Sport was once cheap TV, but in the early 1990s Rupert Murdoch's empire invested heavily and showed just how well a sport could be covered, how it should be covered, and just how much a sport could earn from television in the process. For most of us the extra cost was acceptable as sports coverage massively improved in both content and quality since the Murdoch intervention. And not just on pay TV; broadcasters had to match the competition, so all sports broadcasting improved.

There are exceptions; wherever they can get away with it, whenever they can buck that ratio of cost to quality.

Take MotoGP, currently live in the UK only on the BBC. The world's premier motorcycle racing series has a very large and [usually] loyal audience but recently, since the grid line-up shrank and racing became less spectacular, more of us have focused on the 'show'. And fans have noticed that what we get is no longer up to scratch. Fantastic racing once diluted any dissatisfaction with programme quality, but not any more. Specialist forum and social media sites have featured increasingly adverse comments; the old Beeb has been slow to respond. In fact, it hasn't.

Compare this with its F1 coverage and the difference is stark.

MotoGP is comparatively cheap compared to F1 and the audience is usually less demanding. For these reasons alone the BBC will want to keep the bikes. But fans apparently expect more from Britain's biggest broadcaster. Are they being short-changed or should viewers just be grateful for free-to-air coverage and accept the quality that the station can afford? Every broadcaster has an eye on costs, but at what cost to the sports fan?

Good television is the product of teamwork. Great television is the product of a team of dynamic people with genuine passion and understanding of a sport. The best environment for such people - a dedicated sports department – is increasingly rare in terrestrial TV. Now, the modern practice is to outsource production to save money - find a firm prepared to produce it for the least cost. But when the cost restricts quality or content, the result is a product that doesn't match the public’s expectation. And nowadays a motorsport fan has high expectations.

The F1 deal with Sky Sports signals a recognition that, despite having a business model built around free-to-air TV, even Mr Ecclestone and his partners recognise that the biggest tournaments in the world will - eventually - have to look to subscription broadcasters for support. Big single events may survive on terrestrial TV after government intervention or policy, but because we expect our sport to be covered comprehensively, absolutely live, and with the best possible quality production, only subscription channels will be able to sustain such high demands.

The huge sums of cash saved by our grand old licence fee-funded institution, along with the other bastions of terrestrial TV, could be better spent and appreciated in other programming.

The future of sports broadcasting may concern some fans, but it is logical in every way that this evolution in sports coverage will prevail; the impossible alternative is to go back to what we had pre-1990. I suspect you'd soon join me in scrambling for a credit card and the telephone, begging for a HD subscription, no, sod it, 3D! Now, hand me those daft glasses…

May I remind people, Keith Heuwen has been sky sports motorsport "presenter" since their superbike coverage of the early 90s, and their continuously SHODDY work covering other live motorsport. He's PAID to say this on behalf of Sky .
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Post by johnnyboy360 Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 23:28

The only people who speak the truth are the fans. And their opinions are the ones that should have stronger power. But you have the greedy owners who say they love their fans then screw them over. Until a sport actually listens to their fans, no sport will be right.

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Post by AMR of the Apex Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 23:32

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Post by johnnyboy360 Fri 29 Jul 2011 - 23:37

I don't care what anyone says. The most important part about any sport, is not the teams, not the people, not the commentary, but the fans. Without the fans, no one would watch it. That means less money for the sport, which in effect means the sport has to do something major to get their fan base back. F1 is gonna drop like a sack of bricks attached to a bird after this year.

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