Re: MSA TORA 12 Hours of Sebring 2014 Race Day Thread

[SVR Yamagura]

Double stinting drivers probably didnt help either. Something to look at for Le Mans maybe? Not only could it help the inevitable delays waiting for drivers from previous stints, but also from a health and safety view helps drivers to not over do it which causes it own issues.

[HCR Bellmond]

So you think its acceptable to publicly criticise somebody who was trying to do their bit to ensure the race happened?? They will have got the settings they had sent to them.

If you feel you can do a better job then you should try help the community yourself rather than point the finger at people who at least gave it a go.

[MAB170294]

or if they do double stint due to personal requirements they have to have at least 2 stints to rest if their next stint is a single, or 3 stint rest if they are double stinting again

[TLR Scrublord]

I'm sorry guys but you can't criticise somebody for offering their services so you actually got to race. What if you just didn't do a stint 6 because nobody wanted to host? I'm sure that would have been a lot worse then what happened. If you think you can do a better job, step up & do it yourself next time. We want everybody to enjoy the experience of these enduro's and delays have to be expected when you're doing such a big operation like this.

As for the double stinting it should be allowed as it really helps organise stints and takes a lot of pressure off of that, however I feel that the no double stinting in the middle of the race should be put in place for every single enduro we do. It really helps keep things on time.

[HCR Motorhead]

It's an individual thing really, Mad Dog won it last year doing 10 hours but that's because he's an amazing driver. I did 6 yesterday and actually went better in the last 2 hours. I could have done the 8 if Aero couldn't make the last stint.

Some people might not be able to do it and that's fair enough, we're all not Tom Kristensen here.

Maybe people should know themselves what their limits are. If you can do 8 hours, then great. If you can't do more than 4 then don't, even if you're rescuing the team. If you *do* pull it off and be a hero then count yourself as lucky. If you lose it then you'll go down as unlucky but what about the others you might have screwed over?

Sounds to me like a lot of the fatigue was induced by covering team mates and delays, etc. We can't really control that. Only the individual can themselves. Maybe we could improve delays by getting everything done beforehand. Our stints were locked in before the hosts were! If all the organisation aspects are locked in 72 hours prior then most emergencies and contingencies can be sorted with better time to spare.

[HCR Motorhead]

But yeah, Hayden's right, maybe bringing back the no double stinting through half time would help, if not doing so makes things and people the way they are now.

[F4H Lotterer]

Yes and it will be bought up for the next event .

[SVR Yamagura]

For Le Mans I would suggest no double stints between stints 4-5 and 8-9.

[TLR Scrublord]

Maybe people should know themselves what their limits are. If you can do 8 hours, then great. If you can't do more than 4 then don't, even if you're rescuing the team. If you *do* pull it off and be a hero then count yourself as lucky. If you lose it then you'll go down as unlucky but what about the others you might have screwed over?

For example, yesterday I was meant to double stint the finish but I knew I was going to have a hard time due to a migraine that was coming. I then ask Thom to cover my stint so I only had the last one to do. This made it possible for me to actually finish the race. I know this is not a possibility all the time but knowing what you can and can not do is essential to doing well in these races.

[F4H Lotterer]

You had a migraine HAHAHAHAHAHA my wife uses that excuse all the time .

[TLR Scrublord]

  

[Guest]

As a Race host you have to make a call between Keeping to protocol, and Keeping everyone in the lobby happy.

Now the person mentioned is neither an Official host OR a known host around TORA, and I think under the pressure he had, he done a very good job, keep in mind he was just as tired as anyone else and jumped on to host a lobby which wouldn't have ran other wise, give the man some credit!

As for double-stinting, it was removed for N12 and Sebring but as the next event is twice as large we'll be bringing it back in most likely, for now let's keep to the positives, I for one was extremely impressed with how much community input there was, streams with SO many differen Guest voices, people communicating in the threads with issues or updates, Well Done all!

[TheAngryPudding]

So you think its acceptable to publicly criticise somebody who was trying to do their bit to ensure the race happened?? They will have got the settings they had sent to them.

If you feel you can do a better job then you should try help the community yourself rather than point the finger at people who at least gave it a go.

I offered to host stint 3 lobby B, the only stint I could race. Ironically if I had it wouldnt have started 30 minutes late.

What I would say is that whilst double stinting can save a team, surely there should be separate hosts for each lobby / stint to speed up the transition. Its when the host is double stinting and hosting that the delays occur.

Whilst I respect the hosts and them enabling us to race, I was under the impression that lobby setups were provided, surely meaning its a simple load lobby settings and away you go

[Guest]

^ There was seperate hosts... for where available, but keep in mind we were still waiting for double-stinters and people connecting ect, last night XBL had system errors with User-Sign ins for some affected.

[Ax4x Mikey J]

Double stinting drivers probably didnt help either. Something to look at for Le Mans maybe? Not only could it help the inevitable delays waiting for drivers from previous stints, but also from a health and safety view helps drivers to not over do it which causes it own issues.

My best TEC finish was P6-GTE LM24 2012, in which I was part of a two man, one Brit one American, team. We triple stinted the last 12 hours, so that my codriver could get 6 hours sleep. I am 10000% certain he drove better after 6 hours sleep than he would have with just two.

For the record, both of us tripled with zero damage in any of those stints, whereas both of us had some damage in the first half of the race doing single stints.

[TheAngryPudding]

Appreciate that Warspite but as I said to the sarcy comment earlier, I offered to host lobby B stint 3 and had I done so that stint could've started up to 30 mins earlier, eliminating later delays. I was ignored.

[Guest]

Was there no drivers carrying Stints 2 and 3? I kept getting knocked offline so was unable to keep track of it all... whilst trying to do a 2 man race with LMR Amerikuh, to say we struggled was an understatement lol.

[F4H Lotterer]

Lets move on this is getting boring pretty quick.

[TheAngryPudding]

Last time I'll comment, Visceral was listed as host with Bandit as backup, bandit ended up hosting while parked at t1. As said, I'd have hosted it if asked. 30 min delay to start time as bandit had to finish previous stint and set new one up, eliminating that wouldve probably meant stint 6 started 15/20 mins late rather than 80/90.

Anyway I'll leave it there. Kudos to organisers and hosts for putting on the event, yes there were mistakes but thats life.

[Guest]

Its fine mate there were delays with hosts ect and I'm sorry if you feel like you were ignored, but this is EXACTLY why we open up the "Help" thread and allow drivers to offer their services, we can't always be able to cover every single lobby/stint by ourselves as Staff, I for one had to run Stint1 because the host didn't show, but hey it happens, and it helps to have a back-up.

Something to keep in mind for next time maybe?

[RW26 BLAZE]

I had a bad meeting myself, Lagged out after 23 miles, next stint, got hit behind TWICE first by Zeta on first lap, then by hunty around later on, only did 30 miles so total...I only did 53 miles overall

[Guest]

Have to give a shout-out to Drivers Nick James123 and XPR Colgate(Moontower) really was impressed with the pace you guys had, Great Job!

[Ax4x Kane]

Appreciate that Warspite but as I said to the sarcy comment earlier, I offered to host lobby B stint 3 and had I done so that stint could've started up to 30 mins earlier, eliminating later delays. I was ignored.

On the flipside, your connection could've conflicted with one or more drivers meaning some would've been forced not to complete the stint. There is simply too many variable to use the 'if it was me' excuse.

Two things that annoy me about that original comment;

1. The host was publicly shamed on the forums. Absolutely unacceptable. If you have an issue about something, PM a staff member or CT member. There is no need to air your grievance for everyone to see.
2. He was not an official TORA host. Despite the fact I've been here for coming up to 3 years, I very rarely host. I hate hosting. I hosted a stint for the Nurb 12 & it was horrible. I [Censored] up the grid settings & had to break down & restart the lobby, costing at least 15 minutes. It's so much easier to sit back & let someone else take on that hassle.

People will see things like this & think "Well I'm never going to host". Because it just looks like a ballache of a job. I can't believe Nick actually posted that comment. Unsportsmanlike, you need to get a sense of perspective.

Edit: I do apologise, but I've hard a rather bad day, and that's been brewing all weekend.

[Guest]

Okay boys let's get back to the positives, many drivers had fun and a few didn't, it happens and is the tough side of racing, anyone sticking around for Le Mans?

[TheAngryPudding]

I should imagine Team HARD Online will be running at least 1 LMP 1 GTE for Le Mans.

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