WIX Racing TCC: CAR LIST

Audi S3 Saloon
S 753
Race Brakes, and 265 Front and Rear Tire Width

BMW 125i M Sport
S 747
Race Brakes, NO Front tire width upgrade, and 255 Rear Tire Width.

Chevrolet Cruze TC1 WTCC
S 741
Race brakes.

#2 Honda Civic WTCC (The #5 Civic is banned)
S 748
Race Brakes, and 265 Front and Rear Tire Width

Mercedes-Benz A-Class
S 750.
Race Brakes, and 265 Front and Rear Tire Width

Toyota Avensis
S 752.
Race Intake, Race Brakes, and 255 Front and Rear Tire Width

NOTE: TORA reserves the right to undertake further BoP if/when it is deemed necessary.

The BMW has an issue with its build. You can put a race driveline on it without changing the PI

Mad Bull Ben wrote:The BMW has an issue with its build. You can put a race driveline on it without changing the PI

Check the stats below the PI (Speed, Accel, Handling, etc.) that will more than likely change.

FreshCubanBread wrote:

Mad Bull Ben wrote:The BMW has an issue with its build. You can put a race driveline on it without changing the PI

Check the stats below the PI (Speed, Accel, Handling, etc.) that will more than likely change.

Unfortunately not. Everything is the same except from the weight of the car with is 5LBS lighter.

So does the Audi u can put extra rear width to no pi increase

35.9 pb so far

AMS R3DLiiN3 wrote:35.9 pb so far

36.9?

Why is the chevy so badly outclassed compared to the rest of the field? Last season in tcc the chevy cruze had a pi 746? Now it's only 741 the chevy has the lowest stats compared to the rest of the field

It dominated Long Beach by 1/2 a second over every other car. It doesn't have the top end but it's acceleration is unmatched. At some of the other tracks, it can be little adrift but not remotely enough to be considered "outclassed".

Also, if the car is slower in your hands than the other cars, then why the hell did you pick it? "Yes, I'm going to purposefully choose a slower car then complain about its pace 3 rounds into the series..." Give me a break.

F4H Diablo wrote:It dominated Long Beach by 1/2 a second over every other car. It doesn't have the top end but it's acceleration is unmatched. At some of the other tracks, it can be little adrift but not remotely enough to be considered "outclassed".

Also, if the car is slower in your hands than the other cars, then why the hell did you pick it? "Yes, I'm going to purposefully choose a slower car then complain about its pace 3 rounds into the series..." Give me a break.

Very rude response thanks for that

stug77 wrote:

F4H Diablo wrote:It dominated Long Beach by 1/2 a second over every other car. It doesn't have the top end but it's acceleration is unmatched. At some of the other tracks, it can be little adrift but not remotely enough to be considered "outclassed".

Also, if the car is slower in your hands than the other cars, then why the hell did you pick it? "Yes, I'm going to purposefully choose a slower car then complain about its pace 3 rounds into the series..." Give me a break.

Very rude response thanks for that

As a matter of fact, thank you very much. 75% of the time you post on this site, it's whining about something. The other times, it's being helpful with liveries and what not. But when you come in here and whine about your car not being fast enough, even though you had PLENTY of time to test the tracks... no, it's not going to be met with enthusiasm- It's going to be met with slapstick answers.

That'd be like buying a pair of pants at a local shop and bringing them back after 3 months, worn a bunch, and saying... "I want a refund, they don't fit". Should've picked up on that before you bought them!

someone was using one in lobby A I was running 37.5s and under in the race and I couldn't pass him, just have to be smooth on the throttle out of turns. its just a bit harder to hit the times with on indy but it will do them

I was not whining about the car I was asking a question about the builds that's all but thanks for the harsh and frankly sarcastic comments back which I find quite rude considering your staff.
I thought the forum was to raise concerns and help other members where and when possible not to put them down as....whining
I had no issues with the chevy and to be fair getting a 1st 6th and 1st even if it was only lobby 3 was a personal achievement for me and would demonstrate I had no issue with the car.
Thank you

... You have no issue with the car, but a few posts up you say that it's "badly outclassed?" You do realize that's a complete contradiction, right? Maybe you're saying that you "have no issue" with the car being slow, but posting on the forum indicates again, contradicts that entirely.

If you had come on here and said "I'm struggling to hit the times I can do in the other cars, can someone help me with tuning the Cruze?", someone would probably have stepped in and helped you out. Instead you claimed the car was way out of whack, so it was met with a bit of a non-p.c. answer. There are so many things you could've done better to raise this concern the right way, including but not limited to private messaging instead of forum posting, data from the Cruze and other cars on 4 or more tracks, not making wild accusations that a car is out of spec, just to name a few.

Whether I'm staff or not has no bearing on what I should and shouldn't say. I call things as I see them. If you wanted to raise a legit concern, you would have. Posting that a car is badly outclassed but then saying "I have no issues with the car" says to me that you're OK with the car as is, which is a pretty weak support for your original claim... and the definition of whining is to complain in a feeble or petulant manner... So there you go.

Haha you really love yourself don't you? I am obviously not as well educated as yourself as I merely stated from the levels shown based on each car the chevy is clearly out matched on overall speed and handling so it is far from a wild accusation when the stats are there for everyone to see? My original post was worded wrong apologies but I will refer back to my first post ...which were questions about the build change and as this is a forum I thought best to express my concerns on said forum incase other members had the same questions??

Because no one has that question... Everyone knows the Cruze kills everything in acceleration, so its handling was reduced to offset this. If the Cruze was still at 746 PI, both this series and NATCC would be the Chevy Cruze Cup.

The build change was because the Cruze was too quick compared to the other cars (seen from the last season and in pre-season testing), so all the car's were readjusted to accommodate it. Normal process of BoP.

F4H Diablo wrote:Because no one has that question... Everyone knows the Cruze kills everything in acceleration, so its handling was reduced to offset this. If the Cruze was still at 746 PI, both this series and NATCC would be the Chevy Cruze Cup.

The build change was because the Cruze was too quick compared to the other cars (seen from the last season and in pre-season testing), so all the car's were readjusted to accommodate it. Normal process of BoP.

Thank you ..... see wasn't that hard was it?

stug77 wrote:

F4H Diablo wrote:Because no one has that question... Everyone knows the Cruze kills everything in acceleration, so its handling was reduced to offset this. If the Cruze was still at 746 PI, both this series and NATCC would be the Chevy Cruze Cup.

The build change was because the Cruze was too quick compared to the other cars (seen from the last season and in pre-season testing), so all the car's were readjusted to accommodate it. Normal process of BoP.

Thank you ..... see wasn't that hard was it?

No it wasn't, but I suggest next time you heed my advice or similar responses will be given as seen above

Stug, given a good tune, it seems all of the cars in this series have A Lobby pace, as the A Lobby results from Indy GP illustrate:

Yeah Mikey one of my team mates was in lobby A I think I just worded my questions incorrectly for which I'm eternally sorry.
My curiosity was around why the builds had changed that is all.
My frustration was around being treated like a second class citizen that is all