Re: 2014 United Sports Car Racing Season

by Hailfire97x Sat 5 Jan 2013 - 22:52

IRT Trash wrote:anyway moving along DP and P2 combined = SUPER GAY .... my work is done.

Like I said, look to an unrestricted DP as just a closed-cockpit P2. Once you give the stupid things real downforce instead of the mandated lack of it, and add in better tires, they should be comparable.

by **Ax4x Mikey J** Sat 5 Jan 2013 - 23:57

IRT Trash wrote:anyway moving along DP and P2 combined = SUPER GAY .... my work is done.

Super gay? Not as gay as the Delta Wang. Nothing can be as gay as a car shaped like huge man bits.

by F4H Lotterer Sat 5 Jan 2013 - 23:59

So your basicly saying make it a P2 with a fibre glass DP shell on top lol. As for the delta wing you have to look past its exterior to truly understand what that car is about.

by **Ax4x Mikey J** Sun 6 Jan 2013 - 0:21

Here's a tidbit of info:

LMP2's will most likely disappear from GrandALMS
Peter Baron (Starworks) is now expecting LMP2 numbers will fall because they cost too much to run. He claims that they may cost about the same to buy as a DP but the LMP2's cost twice as much to run in a season.

by F4H Lotterer Sun 6 Jan 2013 - 0:31

That would actually be better than trying to merge the 2 cars , i respect both types as individual classes the concept of a merge is just plain stupid imo.

by **Ax4x Mikey J** Sun 6 Jan 2013 - 0:42

I'd like it, as Hailfire stated, if they'd improve the tires and increase the downforce on DPs. That would help make the "faster is better" crowd...

But, in all reality, making the cars handle better doesn't necessarily improve the racing as much as it simply improves the chances of the less skilled drivers.

by RumbleBee 392 Sun 6 Jan 2013 - 2:10

F4H Bullet wrote:I don't see your point? The winner of petit has gotten an invite to Le Mans for years. Its not like this was the first time.

That's why petit Le Mans gets more than average the entrants every year... It may not be apart of the WEC, but it's key race to Le Mans, every year...

by RumbleBee 392 Sun 6 Jan 2013 - 2:26

Either way, at this point in time this series merger will suck in one way but be better in others. While ALMS had better racing, Grand-am has better coverage and an easier way to follow the series, I.e. grand-am series app that has full races and race recaps to watch. And I believe that once the series starts getting better coverage and easier to follow fan-base, the competition and racing will get better cuz sponsors and manufacters will see a new way to promote their stuff.

It's suck that America doesn't have the "best" sports car series and that it's hard to track and watch, even harder to track and watch the races from other countries. But I think with COTA here, it will help bring the better races and expose the American sports-car fan base to what the world has to offer.

by ShrinkingSteven Sun 6 Jan 2013 - 11:19

Remember with the new LMP regs comming into power in 2014. (LMP and GT)
When they join together they both will have a new rulebook to play with so both series will have to match/change towards the other so P2 and DP will not be what they were. So the join up will not be as 'rough fit' as we are lead to beleve.

But if you had my opinion. Grand-am can leave ALMS alone its good where it is.

by **Ax4x Mikey J** Sun 6 Jan 2013 - 20:12

Just saw this, and in the words of IRT Trash: SUPER Gay:

With the merger between the American Le Mans Series and GRAND-AM Road Racing likely to result in increased grid sizes, we could see split Prototype/GT races.

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/grand-am-split-races-being-considered-for-2014/

If they decide to do that, I may refrain from watching at all...

BTW, my public response to that bit of news:

SPLIT races? Sorry for my terrible French but "(censored) THAT!!!" There would be NO reason to ever watch a dozen protoypes w/o any GT cars on the track. No interest in that idea whatso(censored)ingever.

by Duke of Bruno Fri 11 Jan 2013 - 22:15

Kinda been avoiding this, but, finally listened to the RadioLeMans.com podcast on it.

I am thinking that this will be the end of the Daytona Prototype as we know it. The "Daytona Prototype" name will remain, but, they will essentially be LMP2 spec cars. After about 5 years there will be no difference and know them as either just LMP2 or just DP cars.

The discussion for spliting the field for certain race reminds me of the discussions here about ISCC splitting lobbies to run either all 4 classes in a lobby or P1 & GTE in one lobby and P2 & GTC in another. I would have to see a split Grand Am race before I could completely dislike it. But, it should be fine as long as the series draws enough entries to require a split and that it would be LPM2/DP & LMPC in one race and GTE?, GTC, & GTX? in the other.

by XPR Roadrunner Fri 11 Jan 2013 - 22:42

SCCA had split races and those were ok, I suppose. However GrandAM/ALMS wouldn't work, why? because where is the fun in that? You'd have a race with, 25 cars? and then the other with 50?

riiiight.

by **Ax4x Mikey J** Fri 11 Jan 2013 - 23:22

The dozen P cars would be quite the snoozefest, but IMO, after further thought, the GT cars could put on a great show. Actually they do already, just that the cameras are usually aimed at the Prototypes, even if there is on P1 on track and the other in the pits for 5-10 laps.

by **Ax4x Mikey J** Sun 17 Feb 2013 - 7:06

Some news: Turbos to DP in 2014, as well as a true Ford DP car.

2014 United Sports Car Racing Season - Page 2 11255010

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/exclusive-grand-am-ford-bringing-turbo-ecoboosts-custom-bodies-to-dp/

by XPR Roadrunner Sun 17 Feb 2013 - 7:20

I'm really starting to think this is a horrible idea.

No way in hell are the DP's gonna homologate with P2 AND DW. not a snowball's chance in hell... if they are soooooo adamant on using the DP's, drop the LMPC class and let them run separate from P2/DW.

by **CQR Rogue** Sun 17 Feb 2013 - 9:40

Like that Turbo DP bodykit!!

by theboomeranga Sun 17 Feb 2013 - 9:50

Flyin Mikey J wrote:Super gay? Not as gay as the Delta Wang. Nothing can be as gay as a car shaped like huge man bits.

Mikey, that's now going in my sig Cheers

by F4H Carrera Sun 17 Feb 2013 - 13:13

XPR Roadrunner wrote:I'm really starting to think this is a horrible idea.

No way in hell are the DP's gonna homologate with P2 AND DW. not a snowball's chance in hell... if they are soooooo adamant on using the DP's, drop the LMPC class and let them run separate from P2/DW.

Agreed.
I liked this tweet that David Heinemeier Hansson put out:

And if DP and P2 truly were to become equals, why would anyone spend more money on a DP when P2s can also go to Le Mans, Spa, Silverstone?

by F4H mikem Tue 19 Feb 2013 - 23:19

I think 2014 is going to be a crazy a$$ year with all the cars mixed together. After '14 it should start to improve. I'm going to see them while I can. Got my COTA tickets today.

by theboomeranga Wed 20 Feb 2013 - 2:06

F4H Carrera wrote:
XPR Roadrunner wrote:I'm really starting to think this is a horrible idea.

No way in hell are the DP's gonna homologate with P2 AND DW. not a snowball's chance in hell... if they are soooooo adamant on using the DP's, drop the LMPC class and let them run separate from P2/DW.

Agreed.
I liked this tweet that David Heinemeier Hansson put out:
And if DP and P2 truly were to become equals, why would anyone spend more money on a DP when P2s can also go to Le Mans, Spa, Silverstone?

agreed
why kill off a strong and getting stronger P1 feild, for a shaby unbalanced DP class, where you could drop a smaller class (PCs) and have them run there
oie vie

by XPR Roadrunner Thu 28 Feb 2013 - 19:44

#TheReveal: Tune in to see the next chapter of the merger between #GRANDAM & #ALMS, live on March 14: grand-am.com/News/GA_News/t…
— Rolex Series (@RolexSeries) February 28, 2013

by XPR Roadrunner Thu 28 Feb 2013 - 19:48

to elaborate, New name and Logo for the new series and the Class names will be announced on March 14th.

This will be streamed live on alms.com, grand-am.com and speedtv.com

http://www.alms.com/articles/reveal-save-date

by F4H mikem Thu 28 Feb 2013 - 22:46

Headed to my first Grand-am race at COTA to check out the action. The Rolex race will have 16 DPs, 16 GTs, and 3 GX class cars. TV March 9, 4:00PM ET, on SPEED.

The Continental Tire race will have 31 GS and 34 ST cars. TV March 9, 4:00PM ET, on SPEED.

by **CQR Rogue** Thu 28 Feb 2013 - 23:31

F4H mikem wrote:Headed to my first Grand-am race at COTA to check out the action. The Rolex race will have 16 DPs, 16 GTs, and 3 GX class cars. TV March 9, 4:00PM ET, on SPEED.

The Continental Tire race will have 31 GS and 34 ST cars. TV March 9, 4:00PM ET, on SPEED.

looks like a great race Smile

by **CQR Rogue** Thu 28 Feb 2013 - 23:31

XPR Roadrunner wrote:to elaborate, New name and Logo for the new series and the Class names will be announced on March 14th.

This will be streamed live on alms.com, grand-am.com and speedtv.com

http://www.alms.com/articles/reveal-save-date

I advise all TORA members to watch this should be huge day for north american sports cars Smile

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