SRT Viper GTS-R Handicap Change Discussion

I don't know about you guys, but the SRT Viper GTS-R's handicap of 15% feels and sounds harsh, it seems like too much of a power reduction, 10% would seem more fair, as the car barely makes as much as the other vehicles in GTE. If people agree with this, can you discuss this in this post?

Send me your tune and best lap at a track of your choice I'll give it a try

Disagree, 10% would make the car to dominate through the series. I originally thought 15% wasn't competitive but after running at Le Mans, 15% is perfect. If I hadn't of committed to the LMPC team, I would of ran the Viper cuz I know its capable for A lobby wins.

Viper is fine wont change

Fair enough, I just never saw the Viper as a competitive car, it is just lacking something even more than it was originally. Just feels like a tank on the straights, useless as it is in a barrier, take the Corvette on 485hp, lobby A wins, leading car in the ISCC GTE category, if the Viper lacked on the straights bad enough, why make it worse? I would like to know how the Viper is handicapped so much.

Stock=475 HP
One restrictor off=568 HP

The 15% power handicap will give the car 482.8 HP (568 x .15 = 85.2 and 568-85.2=482..

Make it 10% and it will have 511.2 HP.

The corvette doesn't have any engine mods, but the viper does. That's why its 15%. Also the corvette only has a high top speed, and the acceleration is crap. The first two iscc track played favor to those cars with good speed and accel. So obviously not the Viper's best tracks.

However, the viper has the highest grip out of all the GTE cars. You have to drive and tune it to its strengths, which is corner entry and exit. Also, it drafts the best in its class. The car is quick but not in the sense of a straight line

Makes sense, but here's one, how do you tune something to be better than something it is already the best at?

Nothing is ever perfect, you'll always find a way to improve it. It may be the best in corners but that doesn't mean its maximising its performancr

Think of it like this, you wanna make up your time in the corners. So brake late and back on the gas before anyone else. Momentum is key with Viper.

But worst case you can tune the car with less DF and still beat cars in the corner and then have some speed to keep up.

It never had any to begin with! I ran all the cars under TORA Spec with all the same standard setup they begin with on Mugello. Here are the times I got in order. Also done with the TORA handicaps.
Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 GT3 - 1:50.340
Aston Martin DB9 - 1:51.531
Jaguar XKR - 1:51.753
Ford GT GT3 - 1:52.095
BMW M3 GT2 - 1:52.545
Lamborghini Gallardo GT2 - 1:53.196
BMW Z4 GT3 - 1:53.587
Panoz Abruzzi - 1:53.893
SRT Viper GTS-R - 1:54.956

So how is it that the Viper is so slow compared to the others on TORA Spec and Regulations with the standard set up?
P.S I can't run the Ferarri 458 Italia, as I don't have the DLC.

I posted all my times from testing for Road America and Mugello in the laptimes thread.
The initial times in each table were without handicap but also without the restrictor upgrade. New times with the current settings are also posted just below the table.

The car is easily competitive in its current guise. It should go well at Mugello as it is very good in the corners.


CarbonViper - It's understandable to feel frustrated at what you think is a lack of pace in the car but lets look at you. In the SPEC Cup, with the BMW E30, you were about 4 seconds off the pace of a top driver like Takumi during qualifying. Then, in the ISCC at Sebring, you were about 4 seconds off the pace in qualifying. There are just more people taking part in ISCC than the SPEC cup so you are going to be in a lower lobby.



As a setup/driving tip try some longer gears and shifting around 5500 RPM. The Viper's power falls after this and if you aren't shifting this early then you aren't getting the most out of the engine.

Also, we had the Viper in the sub 4s for Le mans. And finished 5th class.

I have loved the Viper since I changed my GT after it, but what I cannot understand is the lack of tuning skills I have, I am borrowing setups from XPR Roadrunner, and I still cannot squeeze the best out of the car. It is so frustrating when you are an absolute noob to something (me=tuning) and I have been doing this sort of thing for years, the Spec Cup I gave up with, the car was just completely unruly and it always felt the need to be with the grass as it is where the majority of the car parts I have REMAINING are left. I haven't done this thing before, I'm slow because of inexperience and the tunes I run are next to useless some times. Nice to drive, a pain to win with.

I have paid my friend out of my ass in paints, 34 million to be exact for the paints I run for the TORA cars, only to find that the car I am running is about as good as a snail in most places anyway!

I know what you mean, Roadrunner's tunes are tricky to be fast with. But with Forza 5 coming and a new system, learn as much as you can cuz the cars will be better, well hopefully haha

I would be impressed if someone could actually get me a tune to throw me up into something higher than lobby D, which is where I always seem to end up below and then have no competitiveness against ANY of the other drivers, because the tune is naff! XPR do great long run setups but in terms of pace, they are just useless in rookie hands. That is what I think though, not the fact that the Viper's 15% handicap is any performance changing difference, it is just the perspective of a rookie that was hated from the first day he joined. When you are used to free speech in lobbies, it is hard to keep quiet, but then again, who can for a whole 1.5 hour race?

Don't worry about it. Over 4.5 seconds difference between fastest and slowest shows your lack of familiarity with the cars/setups/game.

I had less than 1 second difference between them at Road America and even them I'm still over a second off the pace compared to some of the aliens like Takumi.

Everyone can pull the trigger to 100% on the straight - it's the corners where experience/talent generates the biggest time differences. As you are trying to make up time where it is most difficult, due to the Viper's straight line characteristics, you're going to find it a bit tricky.

Stick with it though. Then, at the end of the season, go back and run some laps on the first tracks. You'll see a huge improvement in yourself, even if you are still having problems with the car.

I doubt I can improve, only thing I can improve at is getting on peoples nerves. I am 15 and I have been into professional racing, it is just that feeling where you are the snail compared to the rocket type thing.

CarbonViper93 wrote:Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 GT3 - 1:50.340

For one, it's a GT2 car. And if you're doing low 50's with the Corvette, you should be in the 49's with the Viper...

They were set on Standard setups, I just got a tune for a 1:52.976 on the track, which is seriously annoying along the lines because now you are saying it is capable of a 1:49? Bollocks, back to being the snail again, stupid handling is my problem, not the straights.

I don't understand why many people (not just you CarbonViper) need to put the cars under a microscope. I pick my cars based on aesthetics (unless it is an absolute dog, which the Viper is not). Because I know that the lobby will be filled with people no more than 0.5 seconds faster or slower. So good, close racing is guaranteed. And like Soundwave said, its better to forget about Forza 4 considering Forza 5 should be quite a lot different.

CarbonViper93 wrote:They were set on Standard setups, I just got a tune for a 1:52.976 on the track, which is seriously annoying along the lines because now you are saying it is capable of a 1:49? Bollocks

I Can send you a tune, though it ain't gonna be that great of one. Did a 49.9 with it though.

I bet you the viper is at the same pace if not quicker than the other cars around here. I was 3 seconds slower in the viper (3.59.7) compared with the vette (3.56.7) at le mans but that track doesnt suit the viper at all. Around Mugello the viper will be rapid as I was doing about 5mph quicker through the faster corners at le mans and you can brake much later.

You haven't picked a bad egg with the viper. You just need to stick with it and it will do you proud

with a good set up, anyone can get good quick times around most tracks in most cars,
for one the viper will be good here, Suzuka (twisty bits), Catalunya, tight bits of Motegi, Laguna Seca and the first section of Rd Atlanta, cars like the ford and vette will more suit Sebring, Rd America, Rd Atlanta last 3 seconds, Suzuka, Le Mans, Motegi
each car has its really strong tracks, a lot of good ones, and some not so good ones, that's what's great about it, and a good tune can make a HUGE difference