Re: TORA Rogue Motorsport Cup - General Discussion Thread

[SVR Solar]

cause i get FM5 Thursday but!! i wont be back online till Friday/Saturday so i may struggle to get them was just precaution just incase

[connor7195]

I got the numberboards fine but some other vinyls it wont let me download

[CQR Aero]

What's the steward's view on track limits on the outside of the corner coming onto the hangar straight? Are you allowed to run wide through the cones?

[Rustyducktape]

What's the steward's view on track limits on the outside of the corner coming onto the hangar straight?  Are you allowed to run wide through the cones?

I've been thing about this for a bit now. I've been running the track with the cones basically being a wall. As per the rules/regulations I'm assuming the cones are a "boundary line of the track" that we have to stay within?

[CQR Aero]

What's the steward's view on track limits on the outside of the corner coming onto the hangar straight?  Are you allowed to run wide through the cones?

I've been thing about this for a bit now. I've been running the track with the cones basically being a wall. As per the rules/regulations I'm assuming the cones are a "boundary line of the track" that we have to stay within?

Potentially I agree, but if someone genuinely runs wide and takes them all out, how do you know where that limit is any more? Possibly better to just say "no, just go for it" and everyone be on a level playing field in my opinion.

[exp1osive sam]

What's the steward's view on track limits on the outside of the corner coming onto the hangar straight?  Are you allowed to run wide through the cones?

I've been thing about this for a bit now. I've been running the track with the cones basically being a wall. As per the rules/regulations I'm assuming the cones are a "boundary line of the track" that we have to stay within?

Potentially I agree, but if someone genuinely runs wide and takes them all out, how do you know where that limit is any more?  Possibly better to just say "no, just go for it" and everyone be on a level playing field in my opinion.

Yeah, because it doesn't invalidate the lap so should be alright

[ATR DAN]

I would imagine that in this situation, normal racing rules woud apply. So if two wheels go beyond the line of the cones, then that's ok (as demonstrated with my onboard lap below). But all four wheels over would be prohibited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGFdWGxRI1g

[jonnotheone]

Finally got the number boards lol..

[CQR Aero]

I would imagine that in this situation, normal racing rules woud apply. So if two wheels go beyond the line of the cones, then that's ok (as demonstrated with my onboard lap below). But all four wheels over would be prohibited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGFdWGxRI1g

As I said though, how do you police it once the cones get knocked over? I think they're more there to indicate that you should turn (because it's an alternate layout) rather than a track limit, and as previously mentioned, running wider doesn't invalidate the lap. Just want to be sure we're all working to the same standards. As with the race differential issue, the simplest fix would be to allow everyone to use it (the track beyond the cones in this case).

[Matt]

I think we would expect drivers to do their utmost to work within the general track limits as prescribed by the cones.
In reality they aren't there on many meetings that use the circuit so IF the cones are removed by accident then ok, a bit of extra track use may creep in. It's one of those things that once one guy does it, they all will so any 'advantage' gets negated.
So yes, in this case, use it.

[neilracing07]

built an mr2 and enjoy driving that more than the GT.

[ATR DAN]

Having had some time to think on this subject, I would have to agree with Matt. We can't literally watch every competitor & expect them to stick to track limits when 1 driver starts a chain. Eventually, every driver will try to follow the line to gain the same equal advantage.
Plus you're right. There's no indicator as to where the track limits are, as you can run out wide beyond the cones and the laptimes don't get affected.

So on that basis, on the right hander (Chapel) just before the Hangar Straight, we're fine for everyone to use that part of the circuit (beyond the cones)

built an mr2 and enjoy driving that more than the GT.

The GT86 is quite challenging to drive. There's no denying that. Over time, you will get used to it hopefully. Even when I created this series late last year, it had taken me a while to eventually dial it in. If not, there'always the assurance of being able to use TCS.

[neilracing07]

Having had some time to think on this subject, I would have to agree with Matt. We can't literally watch every competitor & expect them to stick to track limits when 1 driver starts a chain. Eventually, every driver will try to follow the line to gain the same equal advantage.
Plus you're right. There's no indicator as to where the track limits are, as you can run out wide beyond the cones and the laptimes don't get affected.

So on that basis, on the right hander (Chapel) just before the Hangar Straight, we're fine for everyone to use that part of the circuit (beyond the cones)

built an mr2 and enjoy driving that more than the GT.

The GT86 is quite challenging to drive. There's no denying that. Over time, you will get used to it hopefully. Even when I created this series late last year, it had taken me a while to eventually dial it in. If not, there'always the assurance of being able to use TCS.

no tcs

[neilracing07]

tx 458 has packed up and shuts down after start up...deeeeeep jo...Anybody no why

[CQR Aero]

Thanks for the clarification gents.

[neilracing07]

watched your lap on you tube in the GT86, suspension is so0 smooth and fluid. I'm getting there now but how are you getting such nice rear traction, it looks like its floating over the bumps and no spin up. Im losing rear grip but not shore if im using all my spring travel and bottoming out or rebound is too high/low and tyre is then breaking away. Give me forza 4 telemetry anyday...Anyway, great lap and obviously a great tuner.

[CQR Rich]

Just a quick question, it states the damage will be on limited.  As this doesn't exist on FM5, will it be on cosmetic or simulation???

Smokey

[ATR DAN]

Well spotted.
The damage will be set to Simulation instead. Luckily in this championship, if you sustain too much damage, you are allowed to pit to repair any battle scars. Thank goodness for repairable aero.

I'll alter the rules now to accommodate this. Thanks for bringing this up

[CQR Rich]

No problem, cheers for clarifying

[neilracing07]

is it 8pm tonight?

[ATR DAN]

Correct. Just over 40 minutes from now

[neilracing07]

Why has forza not created a adjustable TCS that you can dial how much spin you need to complete a turn but not to hinder. It exists in the real world and I remember gran turismo having it on the ps2.

[Diablo 29x]

Why has forza not created a adjustable TCS that you can dial how much spin you need to complete a turn but not to hinder. It exists in the real world and I remember gran turismo having it on the ps2.

Because that would make sense.

[exp1osive sam]

I've never done one of these events where we qualify on the night, somhow does qualifying work? Do we just get assigned a lobby to qualify in then get sorted into our appropriate lobbies afterwards?

[ATR DAN]

Exactly right Sam. We'll do the qualifying session first & then we'll proceed onto the races depending on which lobby you've qualified for.
So we'll be creating the lobbies in exactly one hour so we really ideally need everyone to be online by then if at all possible.

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