i was about to register for this team until i found out from someone else close to all touring car teams that you dudes arent affillated or sponsored by speedworks motorsport at all. you liars. speedworks dont sponsor any online race team and im sure theyll take a keen interest into your illegal use of their brand.

Tell them to ask Christian [Censored], quite a bold allegation if you ask me.

i have email from christian [Censored] stating such

Can we see this email?

you lie

i wanted to register for you team as i like toyota and touring car and got xbox for christmas but then i went to register for you team and accidentally contact real team who tell me no sponsor of online team ever. i then ask friend in bt cars and he tell me also after asking that speedworks never sponsor affilate or give you peoples permission and will take action for you lies.

Im afraid you have been misinformed as i have an email from christian himself an that looks nothing like the one i have..

ok but you is wrong and when christian contacts you soon you will see as you will be in trouble for using name and design illegal without permission. stop telling lie to pretend you have sponsor and try to look good. you did get caught and now in trouble. you know my e-mail from real team boss is real but you dont want to admit on here that you is in trouble now.

not be argue any more with you just telling the truth that you lie but you will see soon.

and dont then try in days or weeks to say you at vsm just change sponsor or something because the truth is you been caught and now in trouble everyone here and on you other web site turn will soon see you lied and lied to team friends and lied on here just to look good.

Well id like to point out 1 christian dont sign his emails like that there is no email on the bottom of christians emails like that thats just for starters....can i ask the email that sent you that email please as id like to clarify it...

Ok mate well you have my email from the website so i look forward to hearing from christian..thanks for your input but on this occasion i like to ask a member of staff to remove comments as this is slandering my team so if staff could remove thanks..

my friend send new e-mail to real team and share this link with real team boss. christian will look here and it wouldnt look good if staff here remove posts before you found out as liar because it will look badly on tora web site then also for covering you lies. i thinks staff here would be more interested in the truth than doing as you order as they want to get to botom of truth as well and why you team have been lieing just to look good on here and on other web sites you on. i can promise 110% tora staff that the e-mails i post is truth from real christain team boss of speedworks and that real team are not happys about vsm lies and will be taking actions on online race team owners. i have no reasons to lie i only found this by accident when i want to join this vsm team and then ask friend if he confirms and he did and he will be writing a blog peace about this which is follow by many many bt car fans. it was he who helped confirm vsm lies as he check with bt teams on paddock and confirm this vsm team are telling lies to look good and pretend they have sponsor and supports from real team. but vsm people will see soon who truth telling and whos lied and it not me. tora staff will see when vsm people made to remove names and brands and then we see. you should not lie vsm and try to make me look liar. you get accidentally caught out and people here can also email real team and check my truths. also vsm people why never any online messages by real team on face book and twitter and website about support? because you lies. tora staff people can see this is my truth and will see soon when real team get on to vsm and make remove of logo and names. but vsm will probably say they got new sponsor or some thing like that to cover being caught by real team. vsm this is not slander this is truth and you know it truth so just tell truth nows before it much worse. staff i promise on life this is truth and e-mail from real team boss and more will soon see

I have no idea what you are saying there your msg makes no sence to me if your so called friend had emails from speedworks why did you say you recived them then your friend recived them please get your friend to comment on here as id like to know very much who this friend is ..this is my last post towards you as i have more important things to do other than decipher your msgs.

my english is broken and you shouldnt make fun of this. if you have e-mails from real team boss like you said then why not post here also then like i did from real team boss. you lie vsm thats why.

I would ask that 'VSM' provide us with complete confirmation direct from the real team that they have the rights to use the branding in their name.
While running replica liveries is obviously very rarely an issue, using the team name without permission is a misrepresentation and there are serious issues there for those using it.

TORA ALWAYS encourages teams and competitors planning to use replica liveries to seek the support/permission of the team in question before racing. That, ultimately makes the real teasm more aware of the opportunities open to them in virtual racing and is exactly what we want to encourage. However, I would expect full disclosure to the organising Staff members if the real team NAME is also to be used in their branding/promotional activities.
If this has NOT been undertaken then we have no choice but to remove the team from the championship in which the offending brand is competing.

As i stated above matt i would like to know who this friend is and the email address that is apparently sending them emails..i have asked this but seen no reply of what i asked for....id like this infomation if im being acused id like to know who is acusing me that is not much to ask for...however showing infomation. About the team i would need to ok this first with others

Matt wrote:I would ask that 'VSM' provide us with complete confirmation direct from the real team that they have the rights to use the branding in their name.
While running replica liveries is obviously very rarely an issue, using the team name without permission is a misrepresentation and there are serious issues there for those using it.

TORA ALWAYS encourages teams and competitors planning to use replica liveries to seek the support/permission of the team in question before racing. That, ultimately makes the real teasm more aware of the opportunities open to them in virtual racing and is exactly what we want to encourage. However, I would expect full disclosure to the organising Staff members if the real team NAME is also to be used in their branding/promotional activities.
If this has NOT been undertaken then we have no choice but to remove the team from the championship in which the offending brand is competing.

will this apply to all teams that have an affiliation or just mine.??

Only yours considering someone is accusing it of being illegitimate. We're not calling you a liar, but also we're not going to ignore a claim made.

So just show that it's a bs accusation. Only one persons tried to single you out here, and their name isn't red.

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PM them to Matt if you prefer

Jonno... it's not us singling you out, someone else has done that. And if their claims are indeed valid, then we may have an issue.

Jonno is currently sourcing the email and will pm it to the relevant staff members, we wouldn't say we had an affiliation if we didn't as we know the consequences, but the fact that ppl are siding with a 'troll' disappoints me, I would rather this thread be locked, once we send proof then we would appreciate the relevant comments be deleted.

There are no sides to being taken. I have little reason to believe it is anything other than a trolling attempt, or that your affiliation is anything other than what you say it is.. But a claim is a claim and must be inspected.

When its sorted, I will wipe these posts

Understood and locking the thread for the time being?