Non-official Testing 29/11/09 20:00 GMT

Even though we NEVER agree on anything i agree with avenger. if the viper is SO good, how come YOU arent running it. im yet to break into the 48s. other cars can be competitve too if you take the time to work with them instead of complaining about the carlist. maybe its the way i tune, but on the first version of the car list, the NSX was called "a steaming pile of sh*t" and we had running quicker than the "unfair" porsche and lambo

i was running the viper.............

And yea the proka n lambo was to fast and the was looked at and the rules changed.

The same shud apply here!!

if youre running the viper stock , yes it is fast, but in my testing, the ferrari 430, and the porsche, as well as the NSX (when it was on the list) ran the same as the viper. im not saying its its the same for everyone but for me, it ran equal times. if they put it down in the pi660 bracket, maybe then you would consider it more fair. although, the list is fair enough judging from the three wide racing we had in my lobby

XTI Nightrider wrote:Even though we NEVER agree on anything i agree with avenger. if the viper is SO good, how come YOU arent running it. im yet to break into the 48s. other cars can be competitve too if you take the time to work with them instead of complaining about the carlist. maybe its the way i tune, but on the first version of the car list, the NSX was called "a steaming pile of sh*t" and we had running quicker than the "unfair" porsche and lambo

there's probably something with your tune Nightrider. the quick tune i gave the viper (and i usually dont add Downforce) had it within 1/10th of a second from breaking into the 47's! my best DBS time at catalunya thus far is a 1:48.89x (when i ran with Gashi the other night, he ran a 1:48.90x in his Evora)

also switch, im not as good a driver as you and gashi

that may be true, but you can probably understand where some of us are coming from, where we're finding that the acr has that much more over the rest of the eligible cars. the acr alone has more downforce at 'Default' than the vast majority of the eligible cars have at MAX downforce.

in my opinion, the ACR might not be a bad choice to include it into the LMS GT2 class

Ok, i'm not going to join all this moaning.

BUT what I will say...lol is...

Like with the Lambo and Porsche, can the mods please atleast look into this. There has already been a test carried out on Sunday night (yes I wasn't there) where the Viper was shown to be too quick.

I'm sure those involved would be happy to tell you the laptimes.

We have Ianmr who is an experienced racer..i'm relatively sure he can fairly test cars. If he says the Viper is quicker than the rest, it is.

Please look into it.

To the rest of you...shup

I'd also rather this b*tching ends soon, its not going anywhere anytime soon.
Second, if it means anything, my best with the Viper is 1:49:310 after 7 laps so I haven't been to the 48's club either. We know there are advantages/disadvantages to the car list but considering the list was reviewed AND re-tested by the same people who have been making the list since the beginning, it brings me backs to my first statement. I have not been to this test yet but I know in fact that I am never as fast during raceday as I am during my hotlapping. I might have my "surges" but not that consistant to be honest.
I'm only quoting the car list from another thread here.

That WILL be it. Garanteed.

Boycott as much as you want, but I think some people under estimated this season. This will be a VERY interesting season.

Is it therefore a little worrying for some that in testing my Merc was several tenths faster than the Dodge round Mugello?
Maybe I should ban that car too

I get what your saying and if I ran the Viper I would probably be doing similar times to you, which would match the rest of the field. But when drivers like Butcher, Switch, Dan, Ian, and I'm guessing the other Plows, Gashi and Marchie they are running 1:47.0s even maybe high 46s and thats when the car becomes unfair. If drivers like them are granted to use the Viper over people who aren't as good then they will, full stop, dominate the series. More so than normal

I know what you're saying Richy but I wasn't being sarcastic.... I AM running times like that.... sooooo yeah.

Sorry I was saying it to spongebob and you posted as I was typing and I just pressed post

I think the merc is a quick car. As I said they all seemed evenly balanced before the lists were changed. apart from the mid engined cars of course

But a slight pi drop seems to have helped this

If you tested all cars with stock tune they are remarkably similar. But thats the 'talent' part coming in with teams knowing how to set cars up and the like.
I dont expect to be beating PLOW even if I had the Viper. I still might ask T10 to model a Massey Furguson for those guys to drive. (Thanks Dex!)
In the end regardless of what car the top guys choose, they would still be ahead.

Oh yeah I agree with you, but if they were in a viper they would be a lap ahead

theyd be a lap ahead of me anyways even if they were driving minis

I would have to say that alot of this makes sense, but as for a PI drop..
The Viper is like A662, I believe with race tires and forza aero. A PI drop for the Viper means running it almost stock.
All I can suggest is a PI increase for the so-called "fair" cars. Bump up maybe 10 PI or something. I would lower PI with pleasure if I could, but I can't, and Im not racing spec cars.

the viper is S649 stock, which is only one away from the 650 limit therefore race tyres can't be added, so yes it would be stock. And the rules say that race tyres are required. Forza aero may bring it down a tad but i don't think it would be enough to get a set of slicks on

I do think an increase off of 10 pi to the other car wud even things out alot.wud make thous cars competative again.an most of the fast drives i reacon wud use them and this wud even out our viper propblem.or at least it wud help an we get to keep it running.

Why not run a different viper. Are we trying to stay away from older model cars? If so, that would make sense.

i had tested an '03 SRT10 at the S670 spec, and it seems to hold around the same lap times as the dbs, and other cars ive tested, outside that ACR.

and yeah. the acr does start at S649. the Forza aero doesnt drop P.I. much at all, the OEM rear wing and the FM rear wing are both adjustable, so there's no difference there.

I rather liked the SRT in last game...not driven it in this game...would that be a good swap?

Is it more even on all the tracks and does it gove alot of room up upgrading and downgrading?

The SRT 10 is a good drift car

.... But i guess that doesnt really help...

(Sorry im bored lol)

say put the viper in with the porka, lambo, zr1, and gt, make that class 670, and the other group 680, i very much agree with avenger, and not because hes my teammate, we never agree on anything . i think that would make everyone happy,the viper stays, the other cars have more room for upgrades, and all my favorite car in the game stays

We shall discuss this consideration after some more official testing.

Matt can we have some offical testing before the end of the submission date as if the rules are changed on some cars (e.g. the 650s made competative) it will chnage my teams car that we want to run. I am sure i am not the only person in this postion and would be greatfull if we could get this sorted asap.

I am sure there will be people happy to run an "offical test" on sunday night or saturday night. please look at this discuisson could go on for a long ttime untill we do somthing about it!!