Re: MSA TORA 12 Hours of Sebring 2014 Race Day Thread

[F4H Stingray]

They were late and just did whatever to get the room going. Connection issues and being an hour or so behind.

[jonnotheone]

im assuming the mileage is not quite right or is that correct when calculated im just curious is all im not impatient to see how low i finished just thought id ask.

[LMR Deftone MX]

There's no way they did a rolling start if Chris was in there.

[CQR Rogue]

Yep seems was a rolling start and iscc finish I will finalsise and publish tonight around 8PM.

Next TEC race will be a form emeded with calucltion to add distances and auto populate to make easier ideal we need to have transponders in cars lol

[BG Wingnut396]

Are you gonna change the sheet later or you want me to do it with the 6 mile deduction for stint 5

[Guest]

We'll be checking results and sorting any errors ourselves tonight so no worries, the deduction is 3 miles for B/5 as that's what we gained from the end time. Thank you Wingnut for helping us get the other scores sorted

Just to confirm as some miscommunication, as iv mentioned it somewhere:

Its Raw data that will be corrected in the mileage calculations, another reason why the Livetiming is being done back of house to save confusion.

The Reason for this is because Stint 5 was a good hour behind and when sorting a formation lap/race, the host didn't have the setting correct, therefor we all elected to just get the last 2 races going and sort it out later on.

[Freheliaz]

And what about all Lobby C drivers who made an extra unnecessary pitstop in stint 1?
Are all those drivers going to get more distance added then they drove or any thing else?

[Ax4x Bandit]

Shouldn't they have deducted the original mileage completed from the overall winner of that stint and just subtract the feet/meters behind normally afterwards?

[CRA XenoMorph]

Not sure what will happen..

I told Warspite already that we took two pits in the first stint..

[Freheliaz]

Easiest is just calculate how many feet we lost by making an extra pit stop. Then add that distance to all drivers in stint 1.
It might not be much the distance, but it can be the difference between positions.

[BG Wingnut396]

to be honest the rules are stated clearly that there is to be a mandatory pit stop per stint
i dont know where it has come from that 2 pit stops are required cause they were not
As for mileage or distance being changed to compensate drivers that took 2 stops this i would say may not happen but that is staff decision

[Freheliaz]

If 2 people who are race marshals here tell you that 2 pit stops are needed. Then we should be able to trust them.
Those 2 marshals made an error. Which is not a bad thing since they are also human. And humans make mistakes.

I just want to know what the staff will do with this. If they decide not to do anything I'm fine with that as well. But now we don't know what is going to happen. Since there is no response from the staff on this.

[CQR Rogue]

lol im at work dude, I will get back to you tonight 8PM ish is when im free , to confirm only effects stint 1.

Agree seems a genuine mistake and I am looking into it and will confirm later.

Dont have access to documents to ajust until I am home

[Freheliaz]

Take your time mate.
It's good to know that this is being looked at.

[F4H Stingray]

My facts were from colgate and pastrami so I know they were correct but no one was saying anything about so I figured id help them out a little bit

[BG Wingnut396]

Thank you Venom cause it was a bit of a head scratcher even after rechecking but pretty certain that final result will be up later

[HCR Motorhead]

Well if it helps, in P1 you lose about 3500-4000 ft on a pit stop, so maybe 3000 for GT? And would that affect any results at all?

[SVR Yamagura]

Seriously? Adding the lost time of a pit stop. The rules have been clear since Jan-Feb. Is it so hard for people to check themselves?

[TheAngryPudding]

Tbh I don't think there should be an addition. It is the responsibility of those racing to check the regulations before they race! If someone had been advised the PI limit of a GT car was X when it was actually Y would they get an addition? Whats the difference?

May sound harsh, but racing in a series like this should be run the same way as professionally run real world racing. If you didnt check the regs, you can't complain when things arent what they seem. Sure, the hosts should be called out and explain where they got 2 stops from, but it shouldve been questioned in lobby and if they were adamant it was 2, shouldve ignored them and dealt with it later

[JOSHSIGGY]

Personally i dont think it would be fair for an addition, for example, in real racing endurance, say one team makes 3 stops and one team makes 1 stop, does the team that makes three stops gain an addition because the other made 1 stop?

[CQR Rogue]

ok all results in my eyes are now final.

Lobby B adjusted for mistake made with stint 5 having extra time.

I will not be adjusting C lobby sorry but its been clear in the rules I no mistakes happen but its down to each driver to make sure they read the rules, I understand this will cause some issues but the ACO will never give a miles back for a team doing an extra stop at le mans

For Le Mans we will have a simple autoform to enter distances etc.

Huge thanks to all those that took part.

Congratulations to -

  Winners LMP1

1st Place LMR Red Dragon with
2nd Place Bary Scott Racing Turbo Power
3rd Place Barry Scott Racing - Lime and Grime

GTE Winners

1st Place HCR Scuderia
2nd Place LMR Leatt Motocross
3rd Place F4H Matech

[Freheliaz]

Ok thanks for the clear answer on what to do with lobby C.
And congratulations to all the winners.

[LMR Deftone MX]

Finally broke LMR's TEC curse! Just wishing the Leatt MX team could've had a better day. Congrats to the HMR and VVV prototypes, as well as HCR Scuderia and F4H Matech!

[HCR Motorhead]

Finally broke LMR's TEC curse! Just wishing the Leatt MX team could've had a better day. Congrats to the HMR and VVV prototypes, as well as HCR Scuderia and F4H Matech!

Cheers, this one was all yours, and nothing got near you in the end. I guess if you were going to break the curse you were always going to do it in style. In the end, the closest challengers were the "second" Barry Scott team and they put in a sterling job and merit to them for their distance against yours.

However your luck came at a price, with *that incident* on your GT entry. I would vouch to never have to have this happen again on our watch. Credit to Rainone for being the calmest one out of those involved. Maybe we should make a committee to pitch anything...anything to tackle scenarios like what happened herre...maybe even retrospectively and/or discretionary actions.

[LMR Deftone MX]

Finally broke LMR's TEC curse! Just wishing the Leatt MX team could've had a better day. Congrats to the HMR and VVV prototypes, as well as HCR Scuderia and F4H Matech!

Cheers, this one was all yours, and nothing got near you in the end. I guess if you were going to break the curse you were always going to do it in style. In the end, the closest challengers were the "second" Barry Scott team and they put in a sterling job and merit to them for their distance against yours.

However your luck came at a price, with *that incident* on your GT entry. I would vouch to never have to have this happen again on our watch. Credit to Rainone for being the calmest one out of those involved. Maybe we should make a committee to pitch anything...anything to tackle scenarios like what happened herre...maybe even retrospectively and/or discretionary actions.

  


Was great to have you guys keeping us honest all the way through. Should be an epic race at Le Mans!

Thats a good way of looking at it actually - It came at a price. While I do agree that would be nice, it's hard to justify with the competition of the affected team, that they are being awarded something they didnt actually achieve; even if it was unfairly taken from them.

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