MSA TORA TCC S9 - Car List

I say the Megane, Seat and ANY Type R Civic needs to get chopped.

The Civic has an unfair advantage because it is a Type R or Type RACE.  The Megane and Seat have dominated the ranks for far too long and have proven to be way quicker than any other FWD Car.  So those Three FWD Cars need to get chopped or have a PI Drop.

As for the Volvo, I know for a fact that I am not as quick as Hayden in the Volvo and wont be able to replicate his results in S9.  So personally I wouldn't worry about how quick the Volvo is.  It is kind of a Boat in terms of handling at times, but I love that car.

But this is just my opinion, I understand why the current list is the way it is, but I just think that the Civic Type-R, Renault Megane and the Seat LEON need to be chopped or have a PI Drop.

The Renault and SEAT were both ran by CQR and they are very quick in TCC.

Yo Dunc. why is there no Porsche Super Cup on FM5???

:p

Ask EA lol

RUF Cup?

Any way back to car list changed now we the old main forza 4 staff spent with a majority of very fast forza 4 drivers back almost a year and half ago testing the TCC cars for 3 - 4 months.

The car lists worked well and have not changed, Look what won the series in the archives cars are balanced

Fact is we all know fastest drivers will always find the time and builds and how you apply setups are critical in tcc

Take a look back at last season which drivers were in them 3 cars then look at the next entry in the cars. Some were A lobby poles others were C lobby, the one car no one chose was the Scion TC yet I could do the exact same times in that as a A lobby Civic, Leon. There's builds for every car that will unlock the time but tuning takes time not 10 laps in each car, you will find there all really balanced if you spend the time.

Agreed, as part of the TCC test team I put in over 500 laps combined in all the cars on the car list - and there's 20+ cars that are 'A lobby contenders'. With the right build, tune and driving style almost all of the cars can compete in A lobby - that last 1 second of lap time is all in the build and tuning. Look at the results for S8, e.g. Cat Nat where CQR's Cupras were 1-2-3 on the grid, 1 second faster than any other Cupra. Same at Sunset, CQR Civic 07 was on pole, 1.6 seconds faster than the next Civic. In fact, if it wasn't for CQR's entries, Cupra's and Civics would not have even made A lobby last season, let alone take poles or wins (except for Koenigsegg at NurbGP where he ran CQR's Cupra tune and got into A lobby too). And that's what it's all about - tuning. CQR won the teams championship in S7 with the Civic Si - a car that was barely even entered in S8, even though the PI was the same. Other cars that we've proven are A lobby contenders are the BMW (CQR D4N13L was 3rd in A lobby at Mugello Club), Integra (CQR Haburi 5th on the grid in A lobby at Suzuka) and Hyundai Veloster (I was 4th on the grid in A lobby at Suzuka). There's many, many more cars that are equally capable of the laptimes - but it does take a specific build, tune and driving style. The Cupra for example has a very flat torque curve (they're all turbo charged cars remember), just changing gear at the optimal point can find you 0.3s per lap by keeping the car in the peak power band. The Civic 07 is not overpowered because it's a Type R 'Race version' - the Civic only dominates once you fit a centrifugal supercharger, which is banned in TCC for that very reason. The Civic is in fact quite heavy compared to many of the other FWD cars, correct gearing is essential to getting good acceleration from it.

Focus on the build, tuning and driving style and you'll find competitive laptimes in pretty much all the cars on the list

Good Post Magic!

Thanks Hayden - I should add too that it's exactly what you did last season with TG too in the Volvo and Lexus, extracted the best from the build, tune and driving to turn those RWD cars into race winners too.

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I am about 20 hours in right now.  On ten different cars.  I'm testing on Silverstone, Hock Nat and Catalunya.   I will fight both sides of this.  Every car gets three different builds and 12 laps of each track in each build.  (Power build, Light weight build and mix of both build)
Each car responds differently to each build.  Some have been writin off as turds until the right aero and tire pressures were found and the boom right back in the mix.

The cars are incredibly well balanced for an open build series.  The largest spread I have on any track right now is .4 of a second with most being .1 to .2 apart.

Now where I will fight the other side a bit is that it is not all about laptimes.   Consistency and confidence in your car is what wins races.
The Megane in any build will hit a top 3 laptime by its 3rd or 4th lap and sit like a rock at that time for the remainder of its test laps.  Where as the Cobalt which has higher trap speeds bounces as much a second a lap due to the unruly nature of that thing.  This is why the CQR guys, Hayden, Tubbi, Venom etc pick these cars. They can extract 90% of the laptime with their base tune then tweek for the extra 5 tenths.  

That is not unfair its just smart.  It happens in racing all the time.

Watch this video.  Its great fun and proves the point. "User Friendly".
Also its awesome to hear Tiff turn into Kermit the frog when he is testing.