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Post by nickyf1 Mon 8 Feb 2010 - 21:50

The 2010 season is nearly here... discuss!


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Post by Ax4x Chaddy Mon 8 Feb 2010 - 23:16

Dario's doing great though
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Post by Guest Mon 8 Feb 2010 - 23:21

nickyf1 wrote:In the early nineties it was America's answer to Formula One, around 4 chassis to choose from with 5 different engine manufacturers. It had it all, street courses, road courses, short ovals and superspeedways (most notably, Indianapolis for the Indy 500). The cars had more power than the F1 cars of the time with 850hp turbo engines, producing some of the most glorious engine sounds ever! The cars were heavier, gear changes slower but the racing was much much better. In 1995, Tony George (president of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and the Indy Racing League..) Decided that CART was run wrong, he wanted American drivers, an all Oval calendar and for the Indy 500 to be treated as a great event with double points and a whole month devoted to it. For 1996, the inaugural IRL was held. It had only three events, and had a field of unknown drivers such as Robby Bhul, Tony Stewart and Scott Sharp.

For the first season they used CART chassis (Lola and Reynard chassis to be precise) that had been thrown out by teams because they were uncompetitive, old or had some fault. The season had 3 races, and nobody seemed to notice, or care. But the loss of the Indy 500 to CART was cataclysmic. In retaliation, CART ran the 'US 500' at Michigan, ran on the same day as the Indy 500. It was a failure, most of the main runners out before the green flag in a crash. But, otherwise, CART was a strong as ever, Jimmy Vasser winning the championship and the famous 'pass' by Alex Zinardi on the last lap of the season at the Corckscrew.

Till 2001, CART seemed invincible. The IRL had switched to its very own chassis with normally aspirated production engines as a low cost alternative to CART, and CART was busy making track speed records in their 1000hp turbos! However this lead to the death of Gonzalo Rodriguez at the Corckscrew and Greg Moore in one of the most horrible and horrific crashes in motorsport history which lead to a major acceleration in Superspeedway saftey. The next major blow was to come 2 years later. In 2001, CART was to run their first race at the 1.5 mile Texas Motorspeedway. This weekend would be the pivotal point of the CART vs IRL saga. The cars were reaching 240mph on this track. Now at Indy, a 2.5 mile superspeedway, or Fontana, a 2 mile superspeedway, this kind of speed would be fine, but, the length of Texas meant the corners were tighter and extremely high banked, and the blood in the drivers heads would be compressed down to the torso, causing many drivers to pass out or become dizzy and disorientated. TMS sued CART for millions, CART lost a huge chunk of their money, and the teams started to try out the Indy 500. Alex Zinardi was decapitated at the German 500, losing both his legs. This, once again put the safety of CART into question, as did the disastrous start to the 2002 Surfers Paradise race.

For 2002, Chip Gannassi joined the IRL, and in 2003, Rahal, Penske, Team Green and other joined, leaving CART. CART was left with Forsythe Racing and Newman/Hass Racing, who were not tempted by the IRL. In 2002, fedex terminated their sponsorship with CART, and CART became the Champ Car World Series (CCWS). In the next few years, the series was dominated by road courses and street tracks. And also dominated by one man in particular, Sebastien Bourdais. TV Ratings dropped, while the IRL gained popularity, however, as the ratings of CART dropped, the ratings of NASCAR rocketed, leaving both CART and IRL unknown..

In February of 2008, CCWS filed bankruptcy, and in a so called 'merger', CCWS teams were forced to buy Dalara IRL chassis with just 1 month of testing, this was a high blow for the CCWS teams, as they had just purchased their brand-new Panoz DP-01 CCWS chassis for 2007. They may be merged, but it is nowhere near as good as CART in the early nineties. And it never will be. If CART had never split, would we be tuning in to watch Lewis Hamilton or Kimi in a Penske or Newman/Hass at Road America? We shall never know..

Seems a bit random for me to post this, but ive been watching some old CART races, and decided to have a little rant

anyway, heres some great footage of CART from the nineties, ive included some great races and moments from the proper CART of the early nineties, and other important events from the late nineties and then some stuff from not that long ago in the CCWS days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vJSNTSmJWQ - 1993 Australian Indycar GP, Nigel Mansels first race
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi2gGi66btQ&feature=related - 1993, onboard with Sulivan around Road America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO05KVS53uo&feature=related - Road America 1994, Villeneuves first win
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XZxGvH6Asw - Indy 500 1995, last 11 laps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB3AgjyPnss - Michigan 500 1995, last lap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfWKNV0szfk - 1996 US 500 start crash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywsB65YfLOQ - 'the Pass' - Alex Zinardi on the last lap of Laguna in 1996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMV8hsHXxHc - US 500 1999, Montoya and Kannan at the finnish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK4smk5_N_E - 1999, Montoya wins in Brazil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF8GTL0_rMA&feature=related - Gil de Ferran sets closed course speed record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3r6-ELiSy0 - CART's first attempt to break into europe at Rockingham
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR28fH1J_do - a look into the forces of the Texas race in 2001, in which CART were sued
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH7jKedsXsw - Horrible accident in 2002, Dominguez with broken bones in his spine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK8rQdMxWzg - 2003 Brands Hatch race, Bourdais first win
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QX4DKt0H9g - 2007, onboard with Justin Wilson at Road America


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Post by Slider S15 Mon 8 Feb 2010 - 23:36

Nominate this for wordiest post ever?!?!?

(sorry i dont like Indy/champ car so ive got nothin better to say)
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Post by Richy59 Wed 10 Feb 2010 - 2:54

You looking for someone to blame for the downfall of CART? Blame Stallone...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTxf1qaLbfY
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Post by Aanenvaimennin Wed 10 Feb 2010 - 3:07

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Post by nickyf1 Wed 10 Feb 2010 - 8:23

Oh god, I remeber that! Horrific accident, IIRC Dominguez almost broke his neck in that one.. Wow, that footage from the grand stand just makes it even more horrific, everyone is in a true state of panic.
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Post by nickyf1 Wed 10 Feb 2010 - 15:32

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QRstYe4Q5Vs/S3Ik21EvPPI/AAAAAAAAC6w/uTrZ27D8d8Y/s1600-h/4a.png

The Delta Wing concept has been uncovered... Um... What the hell is that.

Common, massive design fault there, IT CANT TURN!
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Post by nickyf1 Wed 10 Feb 2010 - 17:31

The Swift concept is easily the best i have seen so far, I'm loving the idea of showing off the Engine and rear components! Looks beutiful!

http://www.swiftengineering.com/news_press-izod.shtml
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Post by nickyf1 Wed 10 Feb 2010 - 22:15

The Delta Wing concept ladies and gentlemen... this is the death of American OWR.. Its got two years left to live now, I predict that the Indy 500 will become a fixture on the NASCAR Sprint Cup calendar by 2014.

http://www.indycar.com/news/?story_id=15744
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Post by Richy59 Wed 10 Feb 2010 - 22:17

Wacky races springs to mind. What a joke of a car.

You watched the video 'simulation'? Looks like GP4 or one of the old Nascar games Razz
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Post by nickyf1 Wed 10 Feb 2010 - 22:24

Yeah, I think its done on GTR2 or rFactor or something.

This car is made from recycled Poly-ethene (PLASTIC SHOPPING BAGS!) guys! It has almost no side protection, no wheels, no side pods, no solid elements between the driver and a potential wall/car. It is supposed to be ''innovative'' but it is really just a fighter jet shape with an open cockpit! It actualy looks like its a modifed Sidecar racer!
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Post by Richy59 Thu 11 Feb 2010 - 0:04

I wonder when the Forza 3 DLC will come out...
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Post by nickyf1 Thu 11 Feb 2010 - 8:21

I god, I would much rather have the Penske PC-27 as depicted in my avatar Smile And the Lola, and the Reynard... and the 1997 Swift... Very Happy
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Post by nickyf1 Thu 11 Feb 2010 - 22:18

Any more reaction on the Delta Wing? I would have thought it might have interested people slightly.. for all the wrong reasons ofcourse!

There may be another split coming I reckon, but whatever happens, neither series will be any good. IRL (who already suck) vs Delta Wing Series (whos gonna watch that?)

I think what needs to be done is to have a spec chassis with a single engine to begin with, but make it adaptable for multiple engines, and LET THE TEAMS do some thinking and come up with the body, and let them set up their own cars! Just give em some dimensions to work with, give em a cheap, lightweight chassis complete with an engine bolted in the back, some brakes and all that other good stuff for a fixed price, and let the teams develop the aero. This concept has already been tried out in Japan in the short lived F-20 Series which provided some weird and wonderful cars!
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Post by nickyf1 Fri 12 Feb 2010 - 12:05

Just over a month to go before the Indycars hit the streets of Sau Paulo at the Sau Paulo Indy 300!

So this is the probable line up (Confirmed are in normal text, probable are in italics)

Andretti Autosport
Marco Andretti
Tony Kanaan
Danica Patrick
Ryan Hunter-Reay
Penske Racing
Ryan Briscoe
Helio Castroneves
Will Power
Target Chip Ganassi Racing
Dario Franchitti
Scott Dixon
Foyt
Vitor Miera
HVM
Robert Doornbos
Simone De Silvestro
Luczo Dragon
Rafael Matos
Panther Racing
Dan Wheldon
FAZZT
Alex Tagliani
Drier & Reinbold Racing
Justin Wilson
Mike Conway
KV Racing
Takuma Sato
Mario Moraes
Paul Tracy (part time)

Dale Coyne Racing
Graham Rahal
JR Hindlebrand

Newman-Haas-Lanigan Racing
Alex Lloyd
Hideki Mutoh


Plenty of talent in that field, even got Taku in there for good measure, and we have some very talented drivers from TORA's homeland in there, should be a great season. Smile
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Post by Ax4x Chaddy Fri 12 Feb 2010 - 23:27

FRANCHITTI! FRANCHITTI! FRANCHITTI! cheers
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Post by nickyf1 Sat 13 Feb 2010 - 0:07

I'd say watch out for Conway this season, he did very well last season, he actualy beat the-best-driver-in-the-whole-world-ever-ever-since-like-nobody-else Danica on many occasions.
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Post by nickyf1 Tue 16 Feb 2010 - 0:18

Lola's are in! Definetaly my favourite so far, pretty much an evolution of an Indycar, blended with a Champcar and adding more saftey features, complete with a common tub between Indy Lights and Indycar.

http://www.lolacars.com/photo_gallery.asp
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Post by nickyf1 Thu 18 Feb 2010 - 16:26

Sato is now officaly signed for KV Racing! GO TAKU!
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Post by lfcnicklfc Thu 18 Feb 2010 - 16:27

TAKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Very Happy
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Post by Matt Thu 18 Feb 2010 - 16:53

Oh great..... MORE things for him to hit!
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Post by nickyf1 Thu 18 Feb 2010 - 17:01

You just wait and see! He will be very good this year im sure.
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Post by nickyf1 Wed 24 Feb 2010 - 19:31

Okay, testing times from Barber so far...

Dario Franchitti - 1:11.63
Tony Kanaan - 1:12.19
Vitor Miera - 1:12.80
Danica Patrick - 1:12.94
EJ Viso - 1:14.23
Mike Conway - 1:16.62

And today marks the end of the classic Marlboro livery that graced many cars from the mid eighties till 2009; from Group A Commies to F1 McLarens to LMP's. This marks the first time since 1989 that a Penske has not run a Marlboro liveried car.

Sad
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