Re: TCM Round 2 Discussion Thread - Road Atlanta Full Circuit

[Slider S15]

I've watched that move Aero put on Dan and I'm really suprised he's been penalised for it. I don't really know where he was expected to go as Dan had turned into the corner very early causing the contact. Plus I don't think Aero can be responsible for Dan not noticing 6 foot of car passing from the right to the left of his rear view mirror.

Also I don't understand a 2 second qualy penalty for that incident when you compare it to someone else getting 3 seconds for stopping, driving the wrong way round the track, and intentionally ramming someone.

TORA Rules state its the responsibility of the overtake-ER to make sure the move is safe, therefore it was his fault in line with the rules.

[ckBrenneke]

The move Aero made was very late, very quick, and Dan was already aiming at the apex of the corner when the move was made. As Slider correctly points out, this contact was as a result of this late lunge made by the overtaker, who's responsible for ensuring it is conducted cleanly and fairly.

[Ax4x Chaddy]

also 1second difference on the quli time is HUGE

[Biggsy tv]

Where was Webbers penalty points and qually penalty? I believed TORA prided itself on being as close to real life racing as possible?

Also, Dan spinning was not caused by Aero, he lost it himself AFTER Aero overtook him and was in the next corner!

[Ax4x Chaddy]

aye but look at the room he had, dan had no room even if dan saw aero they still would have hit.

[its troff]

I dunno it looked very much like it was the extra turn in to aim well inside the apex that caused the accident. Anyway I'm not going to bang on about it...its just a shame there was contact because I thought it was a brilliant bit of driving.

[Biggsy tv]

The slow-mo clearly see's Dan turning in pretty early, and spinning out completely on his own. Aero had completed the pass before Dan turned in on him!

[Ax4x Chaddy]

if u look close ull see aero hits dan TWICE thats why dan spins. dan becomes too slow to keep the car going smoothly if aero hadnt hit dan twice this wouldnt of happened.

[Biggsy tv]

Aero didn't hit Dan, Aero made a legit move, made the pass as he was 80% next to Dan, and Dan turned in and hit Aero! The second contact, Aero was pushed onto the grass and had nowhere to go and Dan turned in again, as if he still didn't know that Aero was there!

Did he not learn?!

[Ax4x Chaddy]

if aero didnt try the move this all wouldnt of happened tho. yes it was clever thinking and a good try at a pass but it caused the other car to spin and thatz the simple fact

[ckBrenneke]

I don't intend getting involved in a lengthy conversation over this.

We made our decision. The Head Steward has outlined this. We believe the move was not fair and clean.

If the aggrieved parties wish to appeal, they should contact Duncan with their grounds for such.

We will not argue this in public.

[Guest]

Here are 5 Golden Rules

- If you are ON the track, then you are responsible for the car IN FRONT of you.

- If you are OFF the track, then you are responsible for the car BEHIND you.

- Always anticipate what YOU would do if you were the car that you are racing against.

- Always anticipate what YOU wouldn't do if you were the car that you are racing against.

- The Stewards use a 'but for' rule, i.e. BUT FOR my actions, would have such and such have happened to so and so.

[CQR Aero]

Thanks guys for coming to my defense, though as you can see it really isn't open for debate. I will take this penalty on the chin, and just sit in the position I start in from now on - overtaking is for mugs.

[CQR Aero]

if aero didnt try the move this all wouldnt of happened tho. yes it was clever thinking and a good try at a pass but it caused the other car to spin and thatz the simple fact

Actually I think you'll find it was a combination of no TCS and a heavy/frustrated foot/finger.

[ATR DAN]

The slow-mo clearly see's Dan turning in pretty early, and spinning out completely on his own. Aero had completed the pass before Dan turned in on him!

I'm sorry for continuing this but I'd like to make a couple of points out here and give my side of it for those who wasn't in our lobby.
Firstly, this was nothing like the F1 clip at catalunya that you showed in an earlier message. Also, you're clip doesn't show how quickly our incident happened. As you know at that chicane, there's very little distance from the braking area to the corner itself after that long, high speed straight.
I overtook WWR Aero on the straight! When it came to the braking area, I was moving towards the left side of the track to take the line for the corner and to give Aero some room on the outside of the corner. Unfortuantely, Aero decides to make the move very late and as a result, our cars touch first time around as I was trying to take my line for the entry of the corner.

Hope that clears it up a bit more!

[CQR Aero]

It may have been late, but was it reckless/dangerous, and worthy of a 5 point and 2 second smack in the face?

[ATR DAN]

It may have been late, but was it reckless/dangerous, and worthy of a 5 point and 2 second smack in the face?

Not the 2 second penalty NO! Thats a bit harsh! It ruined my race but it wasn't dangerous enough to be a proper serious punishment!

[Matt]

Right guys PLEASE do not discuss matters under investigation. End of. Dan quit it.
You're only upset becuase YOU spun after a small amount of contact with Aero.
This is TOURING CARS? Need I remind you all? Jeeeezzzzzz!!!!!!

[CQR Aero]

For those that didn't see it "at speed".....

[Matt]

Please guys.....

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