The ISCC Suggestion Box

This is the section where you can do just what the thread is titled, give suggestions on how to make the ISCC better! What do you like? What do you not like? What would you like to see? etc. I like to call the ISCC "Our series" and I want to hear from the people who are part of the "Our" and who make multi-class racing possible, all opinions are welcome!

LMP1
LMP2
GT
GTC

Also Longer races 2hours etc more enduro

Plus use Simon GT car list omg

Races of varying length throughout a season. Have most of the races run between 1.5 to 2 hours of actual race time. Then have 1 "sprint" race run for 1 hour with 1 pit stop, and, 1 "endurance" race run for 3 hours with 3 pit stops.

Duke of Bruno wrote:Races of varying length throughout a season. Have most of the races run between 1.5 to 2 hours of actual race time. Then have 1 "sprint" race run for 1 hour with 1 pit stop, and, 1 "endurance" race run for 3 hours with 3 pit stops.

What ^he^ said...I can't believe I'm agreeing with a canuck...

the longest we will run for the races is 2 hours (outside of the 2,4) but we shall work on that for you gents

What i loved was when we had GT1, GT2 & GT3, was really cool to out race nearly the whole GT2 field in a GT3 at suzuka.

We could have -

LMP
LMP2
GT Race cars
S700 Production cars (Ie Britcar I guess)

That was "his" idea chaddy, and I thought the field was spread too thin with that many classes on the track back then. Should stick to 4 classes max, IMO

LMP1
LMPC
GT or renamed GTE
GTC

Just going to fire a load of nonsensical crap here.

- Oval tracks?
- Keep the three categories, we'd end up only having 1 or 2 of each category per race towards mid to end of season... and how can we include three categories anyway? Does Forza 4 limit it?
- Longer quali? 20/25 minutes?

A few thoughts:

-Space the races equal distance apart, every 2 or 3 weeks, removes the guessing as to when the next round will be held.

-Varying race distance as Bruno mentioned, 1h, 1h15m, 1h30m, 1h45m, 2h...

***Class Structure***

-LMP1- AS IS
-LMP2- privateers only and no tuning, force the good tuners (you know who you are) to run LMP1...much like the ACO has cost-capped LMP2, we should resource-cap this class.
-GT- AS IS

I hesitate to add another class due to thinning of the field as Bli33ard mentioned above. Besides we already have a GT series running seperate to the ISCC.

Split the cars into two diffrent types of Lobbies

LMP - GTE Pro : Just how it is now

LMPC - GTE Am: Banned tuning, LMPC how it is (without tuning) and GTE-Am, same as pro but without tuning

one of the races, the Le Mans 2.4 should have a top 10 shootout for qualifying so it can be broadcast on Tora TV...

LMP1
LMP2 or LMPC
GTE-Pro (as the GT cars are now)
GTE-Am (same cars as GTE-Pro, but with handicaps)

F4H Koenigsegg wrote:LMP1
LMP2 or LMPC
GTE-Pro (as the GT cars are now)
GTE-Am (same cars as GTE-Pro, but with handicaps)

why would you handicap the AM cars?

I think it should be.

P1 - Cars that we have now.
P2 - some p1 cars with restrictions on
GTS - (Super GT and DTM cars)
GTE - cars that we have now

why not doing it like the ALMS....its just a bit of work to get the cars on the same level in the classes...

LMP1
LMP2
LMPC
GT
GTE-AM
GTC

xI 3voLutioN Ix wrote:why not doing it like the ALMS....its just a bit of work to get the cars on the same level in the classes...

LMP1
LMP2
LMPC
GT
GTE-AM
GTC

I like :d

Too many classes, even considering four is starting to make the field look sparse.

then we could reduce it to

LMP - P1 Cars
LMPC - LMPC cars
GT - GT Cars
GTC - Porsche Cup Car

and i pretty sure we would get enough people to Race when we have good rules etc....could bring some more german guys over here

gen3ral ts0 wrote:

F4H Koenigsegg wrote:LMP1
LMP2 or LMPC
GTE-Pro (as the GT cars are now)
GTE-Am (same cars as GTE-Pro, but with handicaps)

why would you handicap the AM cars?

Otherwise it makes no sense in having an GTE-Pro and GTE-Am class. With handicaps there's a speed difference.

You can force the GTE-Am to amateur drivers. What is defined as an amateur driver? People not in an team like F4H, GLR, EZT, VVV, CQR etc. That's not fair, because there are also slower guys in a team. New people joining the site? We have no idea how fast they are, leaderboards are not accurate.

So with my GTE-Am idea, the GTE-Pro cars are quicker (just like in real life during the whole race length) and everyone can enter the GTE-Am class.

I agree, I think its a terrible idea to try and bracket people into a fast and slow category. It could be insulting to say the least.

Handicaps could work, however consider that fact that as GTC cars are slower and built to a different spec than GT2 cars we could easily use slower machinery that doesn't fit well into the current GT2 class i.e. the BMW Z4 GT3 and SLS GT3 to name two.

Bring qualifying down to ten minutes for all races apart from le mans

Richy wrote:I agree, I think its a terrible idea to try and bracket people into a fast and slow category. It could be insulting to say the least.

Handicaps could work, however consider that fact that as GTC cars are slower and built to a different spec than GT2 cars we could easily use slower machinery that doesn't fit well into the current GT2 class i.e. the BMW Z4 GT3 and SLS GT3 to name two.

As a slower driver... i don't necessarily find it insulting to be told i'm slow. I personally like the idea of categories and maybe having a easier car to manage but experience the ISCC racing. As i love the races with LMPs charging past - but sometimes i feel i'm just going round and round not really racing.

With some great GT1/GT2/GT3/GT4 cars now available and all the Porsche's arriving shortly i think it needs looking at and how we keep people interested in this championship + how do we bring people into it as i think the LMPC was a great option for intro to Prototype racing.

Rather than handicaps could we look at same make stock race cars for intro to the ISCC - avoiding tunes - arrive and drive etc. or possibly locked tune from a Pro from someones storefront - factory cars.

We can look at the Pro/Pro-am/am - but look at it from the perspective of talent and commitment and across the community as a whole - possibly use a ranking system with a kind promotion/relegation ladder process - so the guy who turns up for all races and all championships - could be a Pro - link this to car choice options as we seem to have a lot of interest up front and it seems to drop off after 2 or 3 races - could we look at negatives for committing then dropping out but that would probably be handled by the fact someone else overtakes them in the rankings who does turn up.

What about dropping a drivers worst race result in the points table? I've seen this used in other series and it keeps more people in the game that have to miss for some reason or lagout or lag damage or wheel breaks, etc. It's easy to add the formula in excel for this.

GLRmikem wrote:What about dropping a drivers worst race result in the points table? I've seen this used in other series and it keeps more people in the game that have to miss for some reason or lagout or lag damage or wheel breaks, etc. It's easy to add the formula in excel for this.

Like x1,000...it just makes sense. And if your argument is that it penalizes those that make every race, then throw them a few bonus points for attendance.

BuckeyeBullet wrote:
Like x1,000...it just makes sense. And if your argument is that it penalizes those that make every race, then throw them a few bonus points for attendance.

it's not so much that.

it's more along the lines to encourage attendance.

i agree though. it is tough to make every race...adding a dropped round might make it a little closer...besides WEC hand out crap waivers like this all the time COUGHTOYOTACOUGH

gen3ral ts0 wrote:

BuckeyeBullet wrote:
Like x1,000...it just makes sense. And if your argument is that it penalizes those that make every race, then throw them a few bonus points for attendance.

it's not so much that.

it's more along the lines to encourage attendance.

I would argue that adding a dropped round further encourages attendance, especially to the latter rounds of a championship. Many will show-up because they still have a mathematical shot at over-taking those ahead of them...and the bonus points work to encourage those who attend all events anyways, so I fail to see any issue with this format. Besides, in most cases when it comes to online (you earn nothing tangible) racing, the guys who would show-up to every race wouldn't change...may even add a few with the bonus points format.