New TORA Championship Points Scheme

It has been noticed, most recently with the TCC, that we are beginning to see larger and larger fields on TORA race days, some so large, that using our current points scoring scheme, those at the tail end of the field were in danger of scoring zero points.

We don't want people to feel that they are racing for no reward here, so a new points scheme has been devised which will allow for large numbers of entrants to score, whilst still offering a bonus/incentive to those finishing in the podium positions. The first outing for this new points table will be the GT Championship, starting this weekend. If you have any questions about the new points scheme, please feel free to ask.

I have a question!!

300?

Y'know, starting from 200 would still give the first 125 people points

As one who has seen too many C lobbies in my time, I love it! No more sub-30 point days for me.

I assume that as far as teams go(2 drivers+) it is the first 2 cars only of that team accross the line,counts towards the Team's points tally. Would it therfore be a little fairer for the single driver(privateer ect) to score1.5 times his points as he has half the ammount of cars in the race. Atleast it would give him a chance to win the whole thing Just a thaught

R!CARDOUK wrote:I assume that as far as teams go(2 drivers+) it is the first 2 cars only of that team accross the line,counts towards the Team's points tally. Would it therfore be a little fairer for the single driver(privateer ect) to score1.5 times his points as he has half the ammount of cars in the race. Atleast it would give him a chance to win the whole thing Just a thaught

As far as I know privateers (single driver entries) don't compete in the team championship.

BG Hainesy wrote:As far as I know privateers (single driver entries) don't compete in the team championship.

Yeah i'm pretty sure they don't either, they have a separate privateers championship if i remember rightly?

If they don't have a Privateer Championship, then they should imo.

We do, and it's seperate from the Teams one. And starting at 300 for future planning! Better to change once now than now and then again sometime soon when our membership expands yet further.

If my Maths is correct, then is there 7,200 points up for grabs in this season?! That's a lot. I'd prefer less points, for the slower drivers, this makes getting points all the more precious & would encourage battling for position. If I was in lobby D for example & was still getting 150+ points, then I wouldn't risk a move for the sake of 1 point. That could easily be won at another race.

Afraid to say I agree

We have 150 odd entrants for GT. If (unlikely but you never know) for one round everyone posts "IN" and turns up to race, you'd prefer half of the field to score 0 points?? That would just make half of the field say "why am I even bothering?"

WWR Aero wrote:We have 150 odd entrants for GT. If (unlikely but you never know) for one round everyone posts "IN" and turns up to race, you'd prefer half of the field to score 0 points?? That would just make half of the field say "why am I even bothering?"

I don't think so.
It is only the more reason trying to get bether to get some points in the race.
In f1 is it that also not everyone is scoring points.
In a field of 150 I would say the first 50 score points for Tora.
I myself would say the first 25.....

what if only the top 3 in each lobby scored points?

That would suck for people in higher lobbies to not score any points. Its a bit of grey area I think. With all these entrants you don't want to discourage anyone, but that seems like a lot of work for you guys with all those numbers and you guys have enough on your plate as it seems with running the various series on this sight. I like the idea of no points for "slower" drivers, almost like f1 basically. The "slower" people would just have to work harder to score points. No offense, but a lot of the "faster" guys put a lot of time into tuning and practicing, and Im not saying the "slower" guys don't, but it just seems like a lot of work for you guys.

I understand the argument to reward some points to anyone who is racing. But I also agree to the doubts mentioned before in this thread. There are a lot of points and the reward for gaining a position is quite small. Also the top positions are not honored enough IMHO, e.g. 1x P1 (300) = 2x P75 (150+150)

I don't mind to get no points, if I'm too slow or if I'm caught in some trouble. That's how it is in any real racing series. The real reward is the fun of racing anyway.

We have just over 150 signups to the series ( i think ) but I don't expect all to turn up. Even if they did, you would only need to score for 150 people max

As said, I think we can get away with scoring points for the first 125, maybe starting the point scoring from 150?

150
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and so on?

As I said, there is some "future planning" involved here, and though I take your feedback on board, this post was not meant to be a forum for alternative suggestions. A lot of thought has gone into the distribution of the points and it isn't particularly "up for discussion".

Your comments about "not pushing for that extra position" just don't hold water. Under the current points system, you'd gain 1 point from gaining 1 position in the lower lobbies, under the new scheme you could jump up 3 or 5 points depending on which positions you're gaining. Also, what difference does it make if you're in lobby D "only fighting for 76-61 points against a potential 300 for winning" as opposed to the "zero for the entire lobby versus 50 for winning" you'd get under the current scheme??

I might look into lowering the starting point to say, 200, which would score up to 126 places, but as I said, if people are in lobbies which have the entire lobby scoring zero, then what's the incentive?

This is not just for the GT Series this season, we're talking across the board going forwards (as our current points scheme is across the board).

I understand that Chris, but forward planning for 200 people on one race night seems a bit overkill, and even the 200th placed person is scoring 25 points.

I don't think any series ever has had 225 people at one race meeting, I'd estimate that's roughly 125 - 150 more then what'll be able to make race 1 of the GTs?

Lobby N FTW!!!

Fine.....try that (final offer).

After very little thought on the subject of points, I have come to the conclusion that when getting a good run on someone, as I attempt to pass them, I never once have thought of points.

i understand the need to award something, if a fast driver messes up in qualifying and ends up in D lobby they might not want to race - and you don't want people not racing because they couldn't qualify well

possibly think about a points system for each lobby? on a steeper increment, then those that win in C/D lobby get rewarded for winning against the people they are with

i'm just here to race, i know there is no chance of me winning the championship, so i'll be racing for positions to win whatever lobby i'm in and try to out perform my team mates

Various options were explored, including staggered points tiers for each lobby, bonus points for leading a lap/the most laps, but they were either unworkable in a practical sense, or skewed the standings too much. The final amended scheme is now up on the original post of this thread.

Did I miss my opportunity to sell you the decimal point?

It's a shame because the decimal point can work wonders with disgruntled drivers wanting a more bite size points system.

Watch in amazement as 200 points becomes 20.0 points and 20 points becomes 2.0 points... ta-da!

Sorry, couldn't resist

S2M Coblet wrote:Did I miss my opportunity to sell you the decimal point?

It's a shame because the decimal point can work wonders with disgruntled drivers wanting a more bite size points system.

Watch in amazement as 200 points becomes 20.0 points and 20 points becomes 2.0 points... ta-da!

Sorry, couldn't resist

Opportunity not missed, and also, I quite like it! Let me stew on it for a bit and I'll get back to you.