MSA TORA GT World Championship - Sprint Series Round 2 - Suzuka GP - February 3rd 8PM GMT

My start was ballsed up in race 1, C lobby by using TCS i then had to avoid the Ferrari that went 3 wheels off the track into turns 1 and 2 but then immediately dived back to the racing line forcing me to take avoiding action which resulted in me get stuck in the sticky grass and taking 25% each side. Still managed to get back up to 7th place so overall not to bad. Race 2 was pretty straight forward for me, managed to grab the final podium spot when Ross went off with damage to his McLaren.

Didn't enjoy the racing super pole was messed up only got out lap in started from one from back worked my way up then got caught on chicane then stuck behind a big lagger very off putting managed to finish last first race lol second race got caught by a few bumps was racing hard to catch 6th place which I was doing till the run off before chicane not catching when that gets used oh well 7th will do good racing guys
Oh and where's my points from this round not showing

BG Blackbird wrote:

XPR Soundwave wrote:Yeah we did! Haha when I got that clean air, the car felt sooo much better... Or maybe it was just I finally starting hitting my marks lol but either way it was intense fun

The door-to-door with blackbird was epic till I lost you in my mirror-wing glitch and a lil bit of lag had me of the throttle to avoid any wrecks

Watched the replay back and it looks like I clipped your backend when you jumped off the throttle on Deftones replay two corners before I fell off the track. I didn't feel a thing in the race so I hope I didn't.

I'm still reading lots of posts around about wrecks because of cars rejoining the track in front of people, I lost 3 spots in that first race staying off the track until it was clear to rejoin. I think maybe TORA should start to be a bit harsher with the penaltys for this...?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Also, the "Ooops?!?!? I just ran wide at 130r, my bad! Oh imagine that, I just gained a second and a half, must be my lucky day!" is getting a bit tedious. The final chicane a Barca was also a bit of an issue. Not tryin to call anyone out but looking at replays, these time gaining "oopsies" should either be cracked down on or allowed specifically. Just my .02¢

F4H Bullet wrote:Real good race today, Lambo has no balls.

Did throw the car off track twice in the first lap like a noob.

Looking forward to the next race, sucks for Takumi lagging out of superpole and the race.

We tried the old side by side through 130R

Cheers guys Lobby C had a great racing last night no real incidents everyone was so close one little mistake you loose 3-4 positions, great stuff everyone

Lobby E was good last night apart from the lag spike that ruined cd195s race...I haven't got a clue what happened but I was enjoying racing with you till that point pal.
Managed to get 2 lobby wins but my god I had to keep it clean cos magnum and grafters room were always with me good clean racing fellas cheers

BG Wingnut396 wrote:Didn't enjoy the racing super pole was messed up only got out lap in started from one from back worked my way up then got caught on chicane then stuck behind a big lagger very off putting managed to finish last first race lol second race got caught by a few bumps was racing hard to catch 6th place which I was doing till the run off before chicane not catching when that gets used oh well 7th will do good racing guys
Oh and where's my points from this round not showing

LMR Posimosh wrote:

BG Blackbird wrote:

XPR Soundwave wrote:Yeah we did! Haha when I got that clean air, the car felt sooo much better... Or maybe it was just I finally starting hitting my marks lol but either way it was intense fun

The door-to-door with blackbird was epic till I lost you in my mirror-wing glitch and a lil bit of lag had me of the throttle to avoid any wrecks

Watched the replay back and it looks like I clipped your backend when you jumped off the throttle on Deftones replay two corners before I fell off the track. I didn't feel a thing in the race so I hope I didn't.

I'm still reading lots of posts around about wrecks because of cars rejoining the track in front of people, I lost 3 spots in that first race staying off the track until it was clear to rejoin. I think maybe TORA should start to be a bit harsher with the penaltys for this...?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Also, the "Ooops?!?!? I just ran wide at 130r, my bad! Oh imagine that, I just gained a second and a half, must be my lucky day!" is getting a bit tedious. The final chicane a Barca was also a bit of an issue. Not tryin to call anyone out but looking at replays, these time gaining "oopsies" should either be cracked down on or allowed specifically. Just my .02¢

Don't want to be going on about this, but if either of you genuinely think that Jenson, JamesHall or I were intentionally running wide in order to gain an advantage then please, please put in a stewards enquiry. I can guarantee that not one of us was intentionally running wide or trying to gain an advantage. In fact, there is no advantage to be gained at that corner as far as I can see. If you go wide is it very slippery and you lose time trying to get back on track. I hope one or both of you saved the replay so you can see our telemetry. I can gift it to you both if you want it. The fact is that Jenson, James and I were in a train that had no more that a few hundred feet between us for most of the race, and all three of us had front and rear aero damage. If you watch the replay you will see that we were ever BRAKING at that turn, and if you watch the first lap or race 1 you will see that I at least don't brake there. So please, either put in an SI, or stop going on, coz nobody was trying to gain an advantage whatsoever.

Sorry guys, my xbox died... Until next week.

Crisis Nine wrote:

BG Wingnut396 wrote:Didn't enjoy the racing super pole was messed up only got out lap in started from one from back worked my way up then got caught on chicane then stuck behind a big lagger very off putting managed to finish last first race lol second race got caught by a few bumps was racing hard to catch 6th place which I was doing till the run off before chicane not catching when that gets used oh well 7th will do good racing guys
Oh and where's my points from this round not showing

LMR Posimosh wrote:

BG Blackbird wrote:

XPR Soundwave wrote:Yeah we did! Haha when I got that clean air, the car felt sooo much better... Or maybe it was just I finally starting hitting my marks lol but either way it was intense fun

The door-to-door with blackbird was epic till I lost you in my mirror-wing glitch and a lil bit of lag had me of the throttle to avoid any wrecks

Watched the replay back and it looks like I clipped your backend when you jumped off the throttle on Deftones replay two corners before I fell off the track. I didn't feel a thing in the race so I hope I didn't.

I'm still reading lots of posts around about wrecks because of cars rejoining the track in front of people, I lost 3 spots in that first race staying off the track until it was clear to rejoin. I think maybe TORA should start to be a bit harsher with the penaltys for this...?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Also, the "Ooops?!?!? I just ran wide at 130r, my bad! Oh imagine that, I just gained a second and a half, must be my lucky day!" is getting a bit tedious. The final chicane a Barca was also a bit of an issue. Not tryin to call anyone out but looking at replays, these time gaining "oopsies" should either be cracked down on or allowed specifically. Just my .02¢

Don't want to be going on about this, but if either of you genuinely think that Jenson, JamesHall or I were intentionally running wide in order to gain an advantage then please, please put in a stewards enquiry. I can guarantee that not one of us was intentionally running wide or trying to gain an advantage. In fact, there is no advantage to be gained at that corner as far as I can see. If you go wide is it very slippery and you lose time trying to get back on track. I hope one or both of you saved the replay so you can see our telemetry. I can gift it to you both if you want it. The fact is that Jenson, James and I were in a train that had no more that a few hundred feet between us for most of the race, and all three of us had front and rear aero damage. If you watch the replay you will see that we were ever BRAKING at that turn, and if you watch the first lap or race 1 you will see that I at least don't brake there. So please, either put in an SI, or stop going on, coz nobody was trying to gain an advantage whatsoever.

+1 there Crisis, I think we all explained (including Matt) that we were all in a train and in some parts 3 wide, we was excersing caution whilst following each other to not wreck a perfect race for the 3 of us, like i said in the lobby last night check the telematry because WE ALL WERE BRAKING AT THE CORNER AND WHEN WE DID RUN WIDE WE ALL APLIED NO POWER AND WERE BRAKING, actually causing us to all LOSE TIME to the people infront!

Sorry to get pissy, but it needs saying, and like what Crisis said, put a stewards in and let them sort it

Both F lobby replays are on my Storefront.
Not watched the full races but early in race one there was some bumping about.
If i ran wide at 130r i would lose 5-10mph due to it.
Happy for my replays to be checked

Shame bout 2nd in the rolling start. I had planned to go as soon as the pack formed.
The guy in second just tailgated me rather than the side by side he should have.

His loss for not reading the rules but held 3rd to last a whole grid slot back from their deserved start.

LastNewtStandin wrote:Both F lobby replays are on my Storefront.
Not watched the full races but early in race one there was some bumping about.
If i ran wide at 130r i would lose 5-10mph due to it.
Happy for my replays to be checked

Shame bout 2nd in the rolling start. I had planned to go as soon as the pack formed.
The guy in second just tailgated me rather than the side by side he should have.

His loss for not reading the rules but held 3rd to last a whole grid slot back from their deserved start.

yh congrats on the wins mate, well deserved, shame i couldnt battle with you, but i had a pretty good battle with some people i have never met before was wicked!!

JamesHall94 wrote:

Crisis Nine wrote:

BG Wingnut396 wrote:Didn't enjoy the racing super pole was messed up only got out lap in started from one from back worked my way up then got caught on chicane then stuck behind a big lagger very off putting managed to finish last first race lol second race got caught by a few bumps was racing hard to catch 6th place which I was doing till the run off before chicane not catching when that gets used oh well 7th will do good racing guys
Oh and where's my points from this round not showing

LMR Posimosh wrote:

BG Blackbird wrote:

XPR Soundwave wrote:Yeah we did! Haha when I got that clean air, the car felt sooo much better... Or maybe it was just I finally starting hitting my marks lol but either way it was intense fun

The door-to-door with blackbird was epic till I lost you in my mirror-wing glitch and a lil bit of lag had me of the throttle to avoid any wrecks

Watched the replay back and it looks like I clipped your backend when you jumped off the throttle on Deftones replay two corners before I fell off the track. I didn't feel a thing in the race so I hope I didn't.

I'm still reading lots of posts around about wrecks because of cars rejoining the track in front of people, I lost 3 spots in that first race staying off the track until it was clear to rejoin. I think maybe TORA should start to be a bit harsher with the penaltys for this...?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Also, the "Ooops?!?!? I just ran wide at 130r, my bad! Oh imagine that, I just gained a second and a half, must be my lucky day!" is getting a bit tedious. The final chicane a Barca was also a bit of an issue. Not tryin to call anyone out but looking at replays, these time gaining "oopsies" should either be cracked down on or allowed specifically. Just my .02¢

Don't want to be going on about this, but if either of you genuinely think that Jenson, JamesHall or I were intentionally running wide in order to gain an advantage then please, please put in a stewards enquiry. I can guarantee that not one of us was intentionally running wide or trying to gain an advantage. In fact, there is no advantage to be gained at that corner as far as I can see. If you go wide is it very slippery and you lose time trying to get back on track. I hope one or both of you saved the replay so you can see our telemetry. I can gift it to you both if you want it. The fact is that Jenson, James and I were in a train that had no more that a few hundred feet between us for most of the race, and all three of us had front and rear aero damage. If you watch the replay you will see that we were ever BRAKING at that turn, and if you watch the first lap or race 1 you will see that I at least don't brake there. So please, either put in an SI, or stop going on, coz nobody was trying to gain an advantage whatsoever.

+1 there Crisis, I think we all explained (including Matt) that we were all in a train and in some parts 3 wide, we was excersing caution whilst following each other to not wreck a perfect race for the 3 of us, like i said in the lobby last night check the telematry because WE ALL WERE BRAKING AT THE CORNER AND WHEN WE DID RUN WIDE WE ALL APLIED NO POWER AND WERE BRAKING, actually causing us to all LOSE TIME to the people infront!

Sorry to get pissy, but it needs saying, and like what Crisis said, put a stewards in and let them sort it

I would like to know what jenson09's veiw of all this was, as he was at the front of this battle.

LastNewtStandin wrote:Both F lobby replays are on my Storefront.
Not watched the full races but early in race one there was some bumping about.
If i ran wide at 130r i would lose 5-10mph due to it.
Happy for my replays to be checked

Shame bout 2nd in the rolling start. I had planned to go as soon as the pack formed.
The guy in second just tailgated me rather than the side by side he should have.

His loss for not reading the rules but held 3rd to last a whole grid slot back from their deserved start.

True, on both rolling starts. It was LMR Badboiys or however he spells it. Problem was he had no mic so was not picking up what any of us were telling him. Although it was his first race so hopefully he will pick it up for next round. If not the other LMR boys need to explain the rules in more detail.

Good call on the headset thing Dunc.

Guys quote the part you need, stop bringing me into something I had nothing in.

Thanks!

Blackbird - no harm no foul lol but I hear ya on the lost positions during off track excursions lol

XPR Soundwave wrote:Guys quote the part you need, stop bringing me into something I had nothing in.

Yea, someone is complaining about something I've nothing to say about, I just have a problem with people rejoining the track and causing accidents. Our lobby had none of that so I won't be putting in any si's.

Crisis Nine wrote:

LastNewtStandin wrote:Both F lobby replays are on my Storefront.
Not watched the full races but early in race one there was some bumping about.
If i ran wide at 130r i would lose 5-10mph due to it.
Happy for my replays to be checked

Shame bout 2nd in the rolling start. I had planned to go as soon as the pack formed.
The guy in second just tailgated me rather than the side by side he should have.

His loss for not reading the rules but held 3rd to last a whole grid slot back from their deserved start.

True, on both rolling starts. It was LMR Badboiys or however he spells it. Problem was he had no mic so was not picking up what any of us were telling him. Although it was his first race so hopefully he will pick it up for next round. If not the other LMR boys need to explain the rules in more detail.

Sorry about that guys, he should have his mic back for the next race. Nevertheless I will explain to him exactly what to do on those starts so it won't happen again. Sorry about that guys!

Crisis Nine wrote:
Don't want to be going on about this, but if either of you genuinely think that Jenson, JamesHall or I were intentionally running wide in order to gain an advantage then please, please put in a stewards enquiry. I can guarantee that not one of us was intentionally running wide or trying to gain an advantage. In fact, there is no advantage to be gained at that corner as far as I can see. If you go wide is it very slippery and you lose time trying to get back on track. I hope one or both of you saved the replay so you can see our telemetry. I can gift it to you both if you want it. The fact is that Jenson, James and I were in a train that had no more that a few hundred feet between us for most of the race, and all three of us had front and rear aero damage. If you watch the replay you will see that we were ever BRAKING at that turn, and if you watch the first lap or race 1 you will see that I at least don't brake there. So please, either put in an SI, or stop going on, coz nobody was trying to gain an advantage whatsoever.

I'm not using names because the names of people REPEATEDLY doing it isn't really important. For that matter intent isn't really important either. You don't have to "mean to" go off (thereby gaining over a second on one turn over the people that lift or ride the rumble strips). The fact of the matter is you gain a second at 130r if u go wide at the exit, u gain like 3/4ths of a second if u cut the chicane or the turn before the chicane at Catalunia regardless of what you intended to do. If I was specifically calling any of you out, I would do the ol' "I don't want to use any names.... BUT... Lobby q, the racers that came in 5th 9th and eleventh... Wink wink... In race two... Wink wink," trick. Pleading that no malice was intended is not very convincing though, for instance, if u bump someone in to a spin, it was your fault, but u didnt mean to do it, does that mean you shouldn't wait up for the person u spun? After all u lost time, and you didn't mean to right?
The problem as I see it, which has now been addressed by IRT Trash in an announcement for TORA GT (at large), and sprint specifically, is that there was a rule that was abeing enforced a bit subjectively. Now that it has been clarified I'm happy.
Just want to stress that I don't blame folks for taking advantage of amorphous track limit enforcement, I was not super careful to stay on track every single time through either. The track re-entry part of the announcement should make everyone happy

My only comment into this is forza [Censored] up on track limits, and it's unfortunate we can't use the track to its fullest like it was built and designed to.

Nevertheless, for what we have to work with will have to do and I hope they get it right in forza 5. Certain runoffs are made for a reason and it would make for more passing chances and better races if we're allowed to use them.(not now as TORA rules lol but in the future )

That is all

Had a word with Bad Boiys and he knows now. Hopefully that should solve all the problems. I saw there was a Stewards inquiry against him and I don't know what it's about but if it was about the start consider it taken care of!

If there are any more issues or misunderstandings like the one at Suzuka with any LMR members let me know and ill sort it out or you! Thanks guys!

XPR Soundwave wrote:My only comment into this is forza [Censored] up on track limits, and it's unfortunate we can't use the track to its fullest like it was built and designed to.

Nevertheless, for what we have to work with will have to do and I hope they get it right in forza 5. Certain runoffs are made for a reason and it would make for more passing chances and better races if we're allowed to use them.(not now as TORA rules lol but in the future )

That is all

NO,

The 130R certainly wasn't, it used to be gravel but they changed it due to driver safety, nothing to do with drivers using to gain an advantage. it wouldn't make passing any easier imo if everybody was allowed to run wide, it would just be the same as allowing nobody to run wide. If these runoff areas where intended to be used as you claim then wouldn't they just be part of the track?

LMR Posimosh wrote:

Crisis Nine wrote:
Don't want to be going on about this, but if either of you genuinely think that Jenson, JamesHall or I were intentionally running wide in order to gain an advantage then please, please put in a stewards enquiry. I can guarantee that not one of us was intentionally running wide or trying to gain an advantage. In fact, there is no advantage to be gained at that corner as far as I can see. If you go wide is it very slippery and you lose time trying to get back on track. I hope one or both of you saved the replay so you can see our telemetry. I can gift it to you both if you want it. The fact is that Jenson, James and I were in a train that had no more that a few hundred feet between us for most of the race, and all three of us had front and rear aero damage. If you watch the replay you will see that we were ever BRAKING at that turn, and if you watch the first lap or race 1 you will see that I at least don't brake there. So please, either put in an SI, or stop going on, coz nobody was trying to gain an advantage whatsoever.

I'm not using names because the names of people REPEATEDLY doing it isn't really important. For that matter intent isn't really important either. You don't have to "mean to" go off (thereby gaining over a second on one turn over the people that lift or ride the rumble strips). The fact of the matter is you gain a second at 130r if u go wide at the exit, u gain like 3/4ths of a second if u cut the chicane or the turn before the chicane at Catalunia regardless of what you intended to do. If I was specifically calling any of you out, I would do the ol' "I don't want to use any names.... BUT... Lobby q, the racers that came in 5th 9th and eleventh... Wink wink... In race two... Wink wink," trick. Pleading that no malice was intended is not very convincing though, for instance, if u bump someone in to a spin, it was your fault, but u didnt mean to do it, does that mean you shouldn't wait up for the person u spun? After all u lost time, and you didn't mean to right?
The problem as I see it, which has now been addressed by IRT Trash in an announcement for TORA GT (at large), and sprint specifically, is that there was a rule that was abeing enforced a bit subjectively. Now that it has been clarified I'm happy.
Just want to stress that I don't blame folks for taking advantage of amorphous track limit enforcement, I was not super careful to stay on track every single time through either. The track re-entry part of the announcement should make everyone happy

Dude go and watch the replay and show me where any one of Jenson, JamesHall or I gained a time advantage at that corner by going off. If you insist on carrying on with your pointless argument then provide some proof to show how right you are. You gain absolutely no advantage from running wide there as its like the right hander at the end of Hangar at Silverstone, its slippy and you lose time there compared to using the track. It makes no sense to run wide. So either call out names, put in an SI, prove your point, or let it go. Your argument about malice makes no sense, what are you expecting us to do? To slow down and let the cars behind us catch up because we happened to go wide? None of us gained any time out of it so why would we do that? You also need to take into account that you're potentially calling out Jenson and I, Jenson being the President of TORA and myself having completed all but two or three seasons since the inception of this organisation. Do you not think that if either of us were dirty racers or used the track limits to our advantage we'd have a reputation for that kind of thing by now?

If you look back at the Hockenheim thread for last season you will see me calling somebody out for the same thing as they were consistently using the run off into turn one where you DO gain an advantage, but your point about 130r is complete crap mate. You do not gain an advantage there at all. So please either prove yourself to be right by showing me where any of the three of us were gaining an advantage, point out who you are calling out and show how they gained an advantage, or accept that you were wrong on this occasion. Simple as that.

Crisis Nine wrote:

LMR Posimosh wrote:

Crisis Nine wrote:
Don't want to be going on about this, but if either of you genuinely think that Jenson, JamesHall or I were intentionally running wide in order to gain an advantage then please, please put in a stewards enquiry. I can guarantee that not one of us was intentionally running wide or trying to gain an advantage. In fact, there is no advantage to be gained at that corner as far as I can see. If you go wide is it very slippery and you lose time trying to get back on track. I hope one or both of you saved the replay so you can see our telemetry. I can gift it to you both if you want it. The fact is that Jenson, James and I were in a train that had no more that a few hundred feet between us for most of the race, and all three of us had front and rear aero damage. If you watch the replay you will see that we were ever BRAKING at that turn, and if you watch the first lap or race 1 you will see that I at least don't brake there. So please, either put in an SI, or stop going on, coz nobody was trying to gain an advantage whatsoever.

I'm not using names because the names of people REPEATEDLY doing it isn't really important. For that matter intent isn't really important either. You don't have to "mean to" go off (thereby gaining over a second on one turn over the people that lift or ride the rumble strips). The fact of the matter is you gain a second at 130r if u go wide at the exit, u gain like 3/4ths of a second if u cut the chicane or the turn before the chicane at Catalunia regardless of what you intended to do. If I was specifically calling any of you out, I would do the ol' "I don't want to use any names.... BUT... Lobby q, the racers that came in 5th 9th and eleventh... Wink wink... In race two... Wink wink," trick. Pleading that no malice was intended is not very convincing though, for instance, if u bump someone in to a spin, it was your fault, but u didnt mean to do it, does that mean you shouldn't wait up for the person u spun? After all u lost time, and you didn't mean to right?
The problem as I see it, which has now been addressed by IRT Trash in an announcement for TORA GT (at large), and sprint specifically, is that there was a rule that was abeing enforced a bit subjectively. Now that it has been clarified I'm happy.
Just want to stress that I don't blame folks for taking advantage of amorphous track limit enforcement, I was not super careful to stay on track every single time through either. The track re-entry part of the announcement should make everyone happy

Dude go and watch the replay and show me where any one of Jenson, JamesHall or I gained a time advantage at that corner by going off. If you insist on carrying on with your pointless argument then provide some proof to show how right you are. You gain absolutely no advantage from running wide there as its like the right hander at the end of Hangar at Silverstone, its slippy and you lose time there compared to using the track. It makes no sense to run wide. So either call out names, put in an SI, prove your point, or let it go. Your argument about malice makes no sense, what are you expecting us to do? To slow down and let the cars behind us catch up because we happened to go wide? None of us gained any time out of it so why would we do that? You also need to take into account that you're potentially calling out Jenson and I, Jenson being the President of TORA and myself having completed all but two or three seasons since the inception of this organisation. Do you not think that if either of us were dirty racers or used the track limits to our advantage we'd have a reputation for that kind of thing by now?

If you look back at the Hockenheim thread for last season you will see me calling somebody out for the same thing as they were consistently using the run off into turn one where you DO gain an advantage, but your point about 130r is complete crap mate. You do not gain an advantage there at all. So please either prove yourself to be right by showing me where any of the three of us were gaining an advantage, point out who you are calling out and show how they gained an advantage, or accept that you were wrong on this occasion. Simple as that.

I'm not being funny or anything but if you are still this upset about this then you need to put a stewards in because it is what, now 2 days after the race

I actually hope somebody does, then we can see what is said about it.