Re: Sebring 12 Hours Race Day Thread

by **Koenigsegg R** Tue 12 Mar 2013 - 22:49

F4H Bullet wrote:I have no clue as to what you said there Thom.

Especially for you. Very Happy

Lagouts are sh1t, frustrating and sad but stay positive, do your homework and congratulate the winners, second place drivers and third place drivers while being cool (calm). Don't be a meany be a nice boy. Let's have some fun/drinks together!
I'm stupid.

by F4H Bullet Tue 12 Mar 2013 - 23:04

I think Thom took a page out of Codaks book and is drunk out of his mind. Razz

by TG Wormburner Tue 12 Mar 2013 - 23:40

What I would like to see and think is a great idea is everyone to post this prior to racing. The middle screen shows your gamertag for verification and the connection test has no warnings.

You post it before you race and if you are strict or moderate you don't race. It's not fair for those people to create issues for every other person in the lobby. Too often the people who have a bad NAT bring someone with them or kick someone else out of a race because they can't communicate properly.

by XPR Roadrunner Tue 12 Mar 2013 - 23:45

the problem is, people will lie, and I don't expect TORA to mandate that everyone provide proof that they are open, mod, or stict, as people can manipulate it quite easily.

plus its a bunch of work to upload a video and post it to the forums, as a lot of people still don't know how to even post a picture, let alone a video.

but I like the idea

by **Diablo 29x** Tue 12 Mar 2013 - 23:58

Can't really lie in a video. And it's really easy to make a video, use your phone, upload it to YouTube, and bam, you're done. You can do it with a camera phone.

by XPR Roadrunner Wed 13 Mar 2013 - 0:28

I know its easy, but not everyone finds it easy

by BG Wumba Wed 13 Mar 2013 - 1:40

BG Hainesy wrote:Speaking from a team that had a race ending lag-out, I've got to say that adding an extra stint is the complete wrong way to go imo. You just have to accept it happened and move on and congratulate the teams that did do well. Also, a winning or podium team may have benefited from someone lagging out but I hate to see posts that say "we would of won if it weren't......", just say well done to the winning teams. Try to look at it as a test of endurance for yourself and also your connection.

I honestly think it is frustration at the amount of time put in to these endurance races that when things go wrong that are out of people's hands that raises these suggestions.
As Hainesy pointed out we had a lag out issue, and with myself in the last stint a mechanical issue where my controller broke down.
The point you have to realise is that TORA wants to be as close to the real racing as possible, and to race on here you have to accept that, it tries/does follow MSA rules to the exact limit it can on a video game that doesn't support all the features we want.
Looking at these suggestions I have to think they don't fit in with TORA's idea of trying to get it as close to real racing as possible. This leads me onto my next point.

If you don't have a stable connection or a controller that brakes at the point of racing, then all you can do is blame the provider that gave you the tool in the first place, it's as simple as if a car in a real endurance race had their engine blow up, i'm pretty sure a phone call from the chief engineer would be phoning up their engine providers to ask what the hell happened.

by theboomeranga Wed 13 Mar 2013 - 1:49

i completely agree 100%
out of your control, so why complain

by TG Wormburner Wed 13 Mar 2013 - 2:32

XPR Roadrunner wrote:I know its easy, but not everyone finds it easy

Welcome to 2013, learn how to upload a video or send one via email.

by XPR Roadrunner Wed 13 Mar 2013 - 2:36

TG Wormburner wrote:
XPR Roadrunner wrote:I know its easy, but not everyone finds it easy

Welcome to 2013, learn how to upload a video or send one via email.

I agree, people should learn how to do it. However there are folks (like my gf) who are just technologically inept. It happens.

by **Diablo 29x** Wed 13 Mar 2013 - 2:54

BG Wumba wrote:
I honestly think it is frustration at the amount of time put in to these endurance races that when things go wrong that are out of people's hands that raises these suggestions.

It really is. When you see all of your hard work disintegrate into nothing because of something that really shouldn't happen with the tech we have (i.e. lagouts), it's a really hard pill to swallow. Took a quick look at our stats, and in the past year, including Le Mans 2012, F4H teams alone have had at least 9 separate teams experience lag outs, possibly 10. There are other teams that have experienced similar statistics (no, I didn't compare, that'd take way too much time). Don't get me wrong, we've had great successes, but there is always that "what if?" situation if we hadn't experienced this bad luck. At the end of the day though, this is endurance racing, and not everyone gets to stand on the podium that may have had the potential to do so. I think that's why we keep coming back, for a shot at the podium pie.

Yes, pie was referenced.

by Texaspotatolord Wed 13 Mar 2013 - 2:59

Pie is pretty tasty.

by Guest Wed 13 Mar 2013 - 3:08

F4H Diablo wrote:
BG Wumba wrote:
I honestly think it is frustration at the amount of time put in to these endurance races that when things go wrong that are out of people's hands that raises these suggestions.
this is endurance racing, and not everyone gets to stand on the podium that may have had the potential to do so. I think that's why we keep coming back, for a shot at the podium pie.

Yes, pie was referenced.

PIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Very Happy

by F4H Drake Wed 13 Mar 2013 - 3:37

STR Warspite GB wrote:
F4H Diablo wrote:
BG Wumba wrote:
I honestly think it is frustration at the amount of time put in to these endurance races that when things go wrong that are out of people's hands that raises these suggestions.
this is endurance racing, and not everyone gets to stand on the podium that may have had the potential to do so. I think that's why we keep coming back, for a shot at the podium pie.

Yes, pie was referenced.

PIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All those feels.

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by CQR D4N13L Wed 13 Mar 2013 - 20:23

Without stirring things up even more, I would like to share my opinion regarding the whole changing the rules discussion.

Personally, I feel the rules are pretty much right, I don't agree with the whole adding a stint or adding a percentage of "x" stint. I'm in no way dis-regarding what all you guys have been saying, I just don't agree.

Now, with the whole real-life vs video game discussion and how you shouldn't try to make a game like real life. In real life a car wouldn't be floating 20ft off the ground with "lag" or bounce side to side from the same cause. However, can a driver not "lag" in his own response times? After hours of racing a real life car, the g-force, the mental concentration and physical endurance will always play a key part. If a driver were to get exhausted and react to anything too late, could that not be a mental "lag" of concentration and reaction?

At the end of the day, there are things that will always be out of your control, in both real life and video games. The race is the race, and what happens, happens. It may not be the perfect race weekend that every team wants but you can't control nature.

by HCR generaltso Thu 14 Mar 2013 - 3:10

F4H Diablo wrote: F4H teams alone have had at least 9 separate teams experience lag outs, possibly 10.

music man and i especially...we did not have any luck in 2012 when we teamed up together...very frustrating.

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