ISCC Meeting 2 - Advisory

Hi all

Firstly it has been noted in recent event of speeding on the out lap, the problem this causes is if the driver at the front is doing 115mph the driver at the back is doing up to 130mph. Makes sense no but it does happen.

Secondly the lane. I have made a video of how the pit enter should be done and how it shouldn't be done, any one using the wrong entry will receive a penalty

ISCC M2 Pit from Jamie Anderson on Vimeo.

woe be to the person who, in trying to make up time, comes back across the curbing.

gone be hard to enforce as vids only show 48 mins ,plus not every one will not no about this rule.Seems to me that the diving into the pits late realism is going to be taken away.I feel there is no advantage in diving into the pits late and people should be able to do this at there own risk of crashing into the pit entrance.
PS if i dive into the pits late and you punish me, i will withdraw from the series

Hey all just call out if you have car behind when you are pitting, thats what most of us all do, so should cause no issues.

vvvbobcat wrote:gone be hard to enforce as vids only show 48 mins ,plus not every one will not no about this rule.Seems to me that the diving into the pits late realism is going to be taken away.I feel there is no advantage in diving into the pits late and people should be able to do this at there own risk of crashing into the pit entrance.
PS if i dive into the pits late and you punish me, i will withdraw from the series

what i mean is i already have enough to think about on this track just keeping my car from damage i,m not going to worry about the way i enter the pit as long as i dont hurt anybody elses race.

vvvbobcat wrote:

vvvbobcat wrote:gone be hard to enforce as vids only show 48 mins ,plus not every one will not no about this rule.Seems to me that the diving into the pits late realism is going to be taken away.I feel there is no advantage in diving into the pits late and people should be able to do this at there own risk of crashing into the pit entrance.
PS if i dive into the pits late and you punish me, i will withdraw from the series

what i mean is i already have enough to think about on this track just keeping my car from damage i,m not going to worry about the way i enter the pit as long as i dont hurt anybody elses race.

If you can't follow the rules, you'll get a penalty. Simple as that. Everyone will be notified in the lobby, so even if they haven't seen the video, they will be aware. You ARE aware, so you have no excuse.

count me out of this race

to me you seem to to be making rules up as you go,among other things ie, wrong lobby settings etc.i,m sorry to my team mates and have got to say that i will no longer be taking part in anymore series until further notice,

The track is bounded by the white lines. The prohibition of cutting, or gaining an advantage by running outside of the lines has ALWAYS been in the rules.

When racing you must have at least one wheel "on the track" or in other words, inside the white lines. Cutting the pit-in lane is another example of exactly that - gaining an advantage by taking an "alternate route".

This is not a rule change, it's an advisory message to forewarn people.

Are you saying that next time you'd prefer the penalty without the warning?

what i,m say is after running 30+ laps clean and then getting a penalty for this reason is harsh,i personaly would advise people to concentrate on there laps rather than worry about being punished for a pitstop ,believe me people will find it hard running tight to that barrier thus cause accidents,people should be aloud to enter the pits the best way they can espiecially on this track.

I don't know what the penalty would be (that is Jamie's domain), but I doubt we're talking disqualification here - probably more likely a +[insert amount of time here] secs to your finish time to compensate for the advantage gained.

It will be a mild penalty of 5 seconds added to your end time

gen3ral ts0 wrote:woe be to the person who, in trying to make up time, comes back across the curbing.

You mean go in the pit lane then bounces out as was going to fast?

Pushing even the slightest makes a GT2 car find the actual track(you're not going to talk everyone into being smart there). P1 + R3 in that corner is bad enough if there is someone on that pit lane that messes up the slightest bit its over for 3 cars and whoever is behind them. Hate to say it but if half your field crashes in one corner they'll quit. These cars aren't made to go slow around a pit lane. They handle worse at a lower speed than they do at a high one.
Tsukuba isn't made for this as is (the record lap is 51 seconds), its mainly a time attack track. The only places to cleanly pass are in the sectors before, during, and after the said pit lane. These cars don't belong in a race here as is but I'm fine with that because it keeps me on my toes and will be fun for everyone if/until there is an incident.
Why bring more into play with a pit lane thats hardly a car wide and slick on top of that in the fastest corner in the track??

Thats why I want the pitting cars off the racing line rather then brake on the racing line to go in the pits with fast cars coming up behind

Oh, that's an explanation and question not an attack in case there's a communication problem........I see your point there Chucky. I guess it could be the lesser of two evils on pitting, this pit lane sucks.
To do this right using the pit lane you should really do two things. Get the best available person from each class today and ask them to run pit lane correctly for you. Put a speed limit based on the lowest speed they can do it in with a 2 mph buffer and don't let anyone run it faster than that buffer. Second, you'd have to limit the pit window to the available replay length and if you're caught there is a penalty for speeding on pit lane.
Should keep everything safer for those that are on the track. This may be an absolutely horrible idea as well, I dunno

Well that why I made it an on broad shot to see what speed I was doing, I'm not quite sure what I was doing plus I cant veiw it as Im at work lol.

My entry you will see just before the tyre wall it tried to kick me out and i have hit that trye wall a few times now.

I like the idea of the speeding in pit lane bit but feel that alot of people will moan over that also

I think im going to have to agree with limiting the speed, If im going round the last corner and someone trys to fly into the pits and takes me out i'll be pissed! My car bearly even fits down the pit lane and its hard to get it round there quick so this could actually be a good idea.

I'd rather have moaning than wrecking though. If you had a reasonable speed around there within 5 mph of what the best guy could do it wouldn't be an issue unless someone was doing something stupid anyhow. You would have to do this for each class though. The GT2's are a lot slower. Pit window does need to be narrowed in case someone decides to cheat though. My car can make it just over an hour here without pitting.

Ok so what speed do you all think? I was thinking bout 60 or 70mph?

I will be following the advisory video.. we have pit lane entry and it is what it is..
I don't even think theres a debate to be had here..
Like all other tracks you pit using the pit lane entry.. only because you can go round it doesn't mean you should..

I'm struggling to see how this is surprise to everyone?? we want realism and we want a certain level of racing professionality.

I assume we follow the general racing rules.. white lines, pit lanes etc.. If we aren't happy with this surely we may as well just go into a public lobby and hope no one rams you off the track.
Now you'll tell me we don't have any rules about ramming each other off..

the rule has been set and will be also mentioned before the race starts. These rules and regs is why we are here racing, surely??

couple other points - Yes i did mess up my lobby rules and the race. but i also sat through 48 laps to work out the number of passes for each car, marked myself down a couple laps and discussed this with the TORA staff and have appologised to everyone involved during the race and too the staff.
My first lobby and made an error. I say it again. Sorry. Wish i'd seen it on lap 2.. but it was 50mins in.. I probably won't be asked back to run a lobby.

I just had a go 1st time i hit the pit wall lol 2nd time i slowed down to 80mph and cruised round and it was fine

I think most cars can make it without pitting, but the idea of the pit window being smaller has already been waved i beleive

GTR Evoluzione wrote:couple other points - Yes i did mess up my lobby rules and the race. but i also sat through 48 laps to work out the number of passes for each car, marked myself down a couple laps and discussed this with the TORA staff and have appologised to everyone involved during the race and too the staff.
My first lobby and made an error. I say it again. Sorry. Wish i'd seen it on lap 2.. but it was 50mins in.. I probably won't be asked back to run a lobby.

To be fair I did the same mistake as you did chris, just lucky for me I spotted it on the out lap, but thats only cos I have made mistakes in the past, I check things over and over again and still make mistakes, at the last ISCC race I had the race posistions set wrong so the person in first was showing as last.

PLOW Berty2d wrote:I just had a go 1st time i hit the pit wall lol 2nd time i slowed down to 80mph and cruised round and it was fine

so maybe 80 for P1, 70 for p2 and 60 for gt2?

If you look on you video chucky at 9seconds theres a litle F in a white box on the right hand side. You should just start the limit from there at 60 to 80 whatever you think is best. Im more than happy to slow down if it stops me taking someone out or myself on the end of the wall.