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ShrinkingSteven wrote:If we had to choose I go with:

Lobby 1a - LMP1 w/ GTE
Lobby 1b - LMP2 w/ GTC

Lobby 2a - LMP1 w/ GTE
Lobby 2b - LMP2 w/ GTC

Just so it would be more competitive.

+1

CQR CHRiS wrote:I brought this up two weeks ago berty no one will listen so im done with multiclass as aero damage on a lmp car because of not being able to communicate is ridiculous in a endurance race. Its a shame because it could be alot better, happened in last round of TCC people just not concentrating and ruining what they wait all week tuning and practicing for.

It's a shame that Forza doesn't fix aero damage, i got 28% damage 15 mins into the race and i thought that wouldn't make a big difference but it did, which allowed ATR Dan just to fly away ahead and race himself, quite poor tbh

BG Crunk wrote:It's a shame that Forza doesn't fix aero damage, i got 28% damage 15 mins into the race and i thought that wouldn't make a big difference but it did, which allowed ATR Dan just to fly away ahead and race himself, quite poor tbh

Especially for the LMP cars. In real life, its "pop the clips off, remove damaged hood, replace with backup hood, pop clips on" and then you've got a brand new car. The whole process takes 30-45 seconds if done well.

ShrinkingSteven wrote:If we had to choose I go with:

Lobby 1a - LMP1 w/ GTE
Lobby 1b - LMP2 w/ GTC

Lobby 2a - LMP1 w/ GTE
Lobby 2b - LMP2 w/ GTC

Just so it would be more competitive.

-1

I like having all of the classes contributing to the chaos in each lobby.


As for the communications issue, I see it more of an issue of people needing pay attention of what is going on around them on the track and to re-read the rules where it says that the GT cars NEED to hold their line when being passed by the LMP cars. In todays race, I got passed many times by Richy59; not one of those times did I hear him say anything, and, there was no issue between us. I could see him as I do not drive with blinders on and can look behind me and I knew if I stuck to my line he would know where I was going and would pass me when he could do so safely.

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ShrinkingSteven wrote:As for the communications issue, I see it more of an issue of people needing pay attention of what is going on around them on the track and to re-read the rules where it says that the GT cars NEED to hold their line when being passed by the LMP cars. In todays race, I got passed many times by Richy59; not one of those times did I hear him say anything, and, there was no issue between us. I could see him as I do not drive with blinders on and can look behind me and I knew if I stuck to my line he would know where I was going and would pass me when he could do so safely.

I'd like to add that in addition to holding lines and knowing someone is there, its also to everyone's advantage to know where NOT to pass. Going double wide into any of the chicanes at Sunset is pretty much a no-no, as there's no lee-way for error. Mess up and you hit a wall ruining your race, possibly the person you were racing, and everyone else behind you since you are now blocking the track. At Sebring, the no-pass area was definitely turn 14.

Maybe as a suggestion to add to the racing line videos for the tracks, we could add along with them info highlighting areas where passing would be frowned upon.

Duke of Bruno wrote:

ShrinkingSteven wrote:If we had to choose I go with:

Lobby 1a - LMP1 w/ GTE
Lobby 1b - LMP2 w/ GTC

Lobby 2a - LMP1 w/ GTE
Lobby 2b - LMP2 w/ GTC

Just so it would be more competitive.

-1

I like having all of the classes contributing to the chaos in each lobby.

Just think for a minute here, how much fun is it racing against one person who's in the same class for and 1 Hour plus? Id rather have 5-6 people to race against instead of just hotlapping all race.

im in GTE, so i always have several people to run against lol... so i dont think i should get a vote...if i did id prefer it as is, but i get why others dont want it that way...

Duke of Bruno wrote:As for the communications issue, I see it more of an issue of people needing pay attention of what is going on around them on the track and to re-read the rules where it says that the GT cars NEED to hold their line when being passed by the LMP cars. In todays race, I got passed many times by Richy59; not one of those times did I hear him say anything, and, there was no issue between us. I could see him as I do not drive with blinders on and can look behind me and I knew if I stuck to my line he would know where I was going and would pass me when he could do so safely.

I was going to bring this up. I spent my race in radio silence and not once did I call out a pass on any driver. I finished my race with absolutely zero damage and only 3 seconds behind my teammate in another lobby. I waited when going through corners with other cars, I never made any stupid moves or dives and I gave the GT cars the full right of way. Pretty much every GT car stuck to their line and in doing so we never tangled and I found my way past. All I had was patience, which to me it sounds like some people are severely lacking.

There was chatter in our lobby last night but personally I didn't find it distracting. Some people take it more seriously than others though, and need to communicate what they are doing. 1hr 15mins is a long time to sit there in silence but talking over people who are trying to make their way through the pack is uncalled for. A bit of respect between everyone would give us a cleaner and safer race.

Regarding the split, I was hot lapping for a good hour and knew I had to keep the pace up to make sure I didn't lose time to the guys in front. Because there are so many GT cars its actually quite entertaining as you are always passing and doing something on track. I would like to try the bigger field however, so I suggest that for the next round we try out the suggested new lobby split and see how we get on.mif it doesn't work, then it doesn't work and we go back to the old system.

For me, this is a tough one. I like having people in the GTC class to 'race' against. But I also like having the GTE cars there to chase.

Passing, I had no issues being passed at all last night. I held my line, and the LMP cars were patient, worked fine.
Laguna could be trickier, as the straights are less so that Sunset!

i know its not ideal but there is a way around all this other cars crashing and you getting damage from lag 15 mins into a loooooonnnngg race, thats to turn collisions off, i get that some people wont want this but a few of the guys in my lobby last night suffered with a moment of lag early on and this ruined his race, and the guy infront of me in GTC we had been racing nose to tail for 45 mins for a lmp2 car to just dive down his inside as he was turning in no warning and from a long way back and shoved him onto the sticky grass, which was not on.

i just think this is not like a touring car race where its short and you can keep people behind you the field gets more spread out so not having collisions on would make lagg issues and silly lapping moves redundent.

oh and for the lobbys, why not pull them out of a hat so the two classes in each lobby is different each race?

Whilst I understand the above point about ghosting. If its brought in then I'm out.
All you have then is a hotlap contest, not a race.

all we have to do is what we have done for 4 years now of running sports cars at TORA with multiclasses is each driver must be response able for his or her actions, any stupid maneuvers will results in strict penalty been imposed, drivers who cause lag may be issued warnings to improve connections.

Doesn't having collisions set to default prevent damage due to lag?

The proposed idea of split lobbies is brilliant - we ran it in the LM24h and that was a massive success (LMP1 and GT were the only two classes)... however I do enjoy racing against all different classes. If we had the facilities to say, increase the lobby size from 16 to 25 for example, then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

The ethics of ISCC aren't in question guys, it's just whether we want to make it a two-tiered event or not, because that is effectively what it will turn out to be. There will be closer racing (with more people in the class), and the LMPs will still have to overtake the slower GTs.

If any proposals are to be made I would suggest it comes in the next season of ISCC.

Duke of Bruno wrote:Doesn't having collisions set to default prevent damage due to lag?

Nope

How to minimize the risks of lag induced wrecks is actually easy, once you train yourself to do it: Give more room to those around you.

When you see a car floating, digging itself into the ground or hopping and twitching.... give yourself some extra space around that car.

I started doing that for the LM24, and ever since then I have had very few lag related wrecks.

CQR Senna wrote:The lobby chat should be for The lapping traffic not for random conversation. On more than one occasion I was shouting over 3 or 4 people to call out the passes.

I'm on the same page as Senna here, after qualifying for D lobby at Sunset Peninsula I muted 3 drivers from the same car club because it was so distracting, I know other racers in the lobby who muted the same people for this reason. I'm glad I did because during the race I kept seeing the names pop up all the way through which would of really cooked my noddle for 1hr 15mins if I hadn't.

SelectiveRogue wrote:all classes every lobby drivers need to learn

Gets my vote.

Mandown46 wrote:Whilst I understand the above point about ghosting. If its brought in then I'm out.
All you have then is a hotlap contest, not a race.

Ghosting would prevent collisions and also prevent racing, turn them off and I'll be gone before Mandown.

we will not be gosting cars, while we appreciate the suggestion it would take away from the racing. but your right it would solve that problem but we're not exactly looking for the easy fix for lack of a better term

I would love to have 1 meeting were we only race cars in our class, ie all the P1 in 1 lobby, all P2s in another and as many GTE/GTC in thier lobbies. Sure it'll never happen but I would enjoy seeing how quick I really am againest those in ma class without traffic problems lol

so why not just have a spec series whole point is multiclass racing, drivers need to learn to dive clean and fast

Chaddy remember that's what we used to do in Season 2 on FM3 and people complained about it that much that we created the new system to actually have multiclass racing.

Im not saying I dont enjoy it, its a great championship just wonder how close we'd all be with no traffic

that's what the GT Championship is.