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SelectiveRogue wrote:all classes every lobby drivers need to learn

Having all the classes in a lobby makes the race, a whole lot more entertaining.

Yep its whole point of multiclass racing

Anything else is just spec series racing

OcR Project239X wrote:

CQR Senna wrote:The lobby chat should be for The lapping traffic not for random conversation. On more than one occasion I was shouting over 3 or 4 people to call out the passes.

I'm on the same page as Senna here, after qualifying for D lobby at Sunset Peninsula I muted 3 drivers from the same car club because it was so distracting, I know other racers in the lobby who muted the same people for this reason. I'm glad I did because during the race I kept seeing the names pop up all the way through which would of really cooked my noddle for 1hr 15mins if I hadn't.

Hey I hold my hand up to being one of those people you muted. The other two guys it was there first ISCC race and they didnt know what to expect as there were nervous ect. I'm not normally that loud but I was trying to explain rule ect again to them as they didnt understand.

But apart from that I wasnt talking only to Hainsey (excuse spelling) when he passed me.
Sorry for being loud I truly am as I share the same views on trash talking in lobbies.

I have a suggestion for race distances. I've noticed that even though you beat someone by 4,000ft you still get credited for the same distance. I also realize a new system has been implemented to account for the time it takes to finish your last lap. That seems to be causing many people to have the same distances and points. This could easily be fixed with each track having preselected segments A,B,C etc. You stop when the time is up and give the lobby host your distance and segment location. You couldn't cheat the system at the alloted stop time because people would see your distance continue to roll. Creating the segments would be easy, divide tracks up by half mile segments and note them on a 2D image of the track in the weekly race thread. Then...one could actually beat someone else by less than a half mile and get credit for it.

example:

The ISCC is appealing because of multi class and should stay multi class. Its supposed to emulate Le Mans style racing, which is different classes racing on the same track.

I still think splitting up classes, (LMP1/GTE - LMP2/GTC) would be the best idea. Look at how exciting and busy the 24 Hour race was just a few weeks ago. LMP1 and GTE only. The LMP1's had 6 cars in a lobby and GTE had 10 and I think it made for great racing as the cars where battling over the 2 hour stints.

Just something the orginizers might want to try out for one race meeting and see how that goes.

On the subject of passing cars, I think people should just excercise more caution and show more respect when passing. Just my 2 cents.

i think we're going to try that lobby split next race bullet, people seem to be very keen on wanting to try that

Bloodycain: It's one of those things where it could be useful but FM4 just doesn't have the facilities. I reckon it's also a bit too complicated :/ Sorry

Bli33ard wrote:Bloodycain: It's one of those things where it could be useful but FM4 just doesn't have the facilities. I reckon it's also a bit too complicated :/ Sorry

I brought this up because I did this in another series I ran a while back. It wasn't complicated at all and worked really well. No biggie...just an idea.

F4H Bullet wrote:The ISCC is appealing because of multi class and should stay multi class. Its supposed to emulate Le Mans style racing, which is different classes racing on the same track.

I still think splitting up classes, (LMP1/GTE - LMP2/GTC) would be the best idea. Look at how exciting and busy the 24 Hour race was just a few weeks ago. LMP1 and GTE only. The LMP1's had 6 cars in a lobby and GTE had 10 and I think it made for great racing as the cars where battling over the 2 hour stints.

Just something the orginizers might want to try out for one race meeting and see how that goes.

On the subject of passing cars, I think people should just excercise more caution and show more respect when passing. Just my 2 cents.

The more I read this guy's posts....the more I like him Completely agree, Le Mans was epic with the two classes.

Moving onto a new one for the suggestion box........Could a set script / driver brief be written for the lobby hosts to read off in the lobby prior to a race to include; parade lap procedure including parade lap speed, pit windows, if subject to 100% damage message your mileage to the lobby host rather than attempting to read it out in the race. Please keep in-game comms to a minimum, rather than announcing the damage percentage on your car every two mins etc...........

I know the easy answer is "You should know this because you've read the rules", well I have but there seems to be a large number of people who haven't and the questions run into the 1st ten minutes of the race. "When is 25 minutes up?" "What time will officially be the end of the race?"

This isn't a criticism, Just an idea?

I'd also be happy to write it, or help write it if that helps you guys?

I'm not thinking of war and peace, just a couple of paragraphs to cover off the key detail.

OcR Project239X wrote:

F4H Bullet wrote:The ISCC is appealing because of multi class and should stay multi class. Its supposed to emulate Le Mans style racing, which is different classes racing on the same track.

I still think splitting up classes, (LMP1/GTE - LMP2/GTC) would be the best idea. Look at how exciting and busy the 24 Hour race was just a few weeks ago. LMP1 and GTE only. The LMP1's had 6 cars in a lobby and GTE had 10 and I think it made for great racing as the cars where battling over the 2 hour stints.

Just something the orginizers might want to try out for one race meeting and see how that goes.

On the subject of passing cars, I think people should just excercise more caution and show more respect when passing. Just my 2 cents.

The more I read this guy's posts....the more I like him Completely agree, Le Mans was epic with the two classes.

Moving onto a new one for the suggestion box........Could a set script / driver brief be written for the lobby hosts to read off in the lobby prior to a race to include; parade lap procedure including parade lap speed, pit windows, if subject to 100% damage message your mileage to the lobby host rather than attempting to read it out in the race. Please keep in-game comms to a minimum, rather than announcing the damage percentage on your car every two mins etc...........

I know the easy answer is "You should know this because you've read the rules", well I have but there seems to be a large number of people who haven't and the questions run into the 1st ten minutes of the race. "When is 25 minutes up?" "What time will officially be the end of the race?"

This isn't a criticism, Just an idea?

i do exactly this with my lobbies and i still get a few questions. granted if i didn't do this i would get a lot more but yes we should make it where the hosts do this before we launch the race.

i do the best i can to go over the rules real briefly. wether im hosting for GT, ISCC, or TASCAR

OcR Project239X wrote:I'd also be happy to write it, or help write it if that helps you guys?

I'm not thinking of war and peace, just a couple of paragraphs to cover off the key detail.

Thats not actually a bad idea, a set "script" so that every driver gets the same info regardless of lobby. Have to be pretty short though so the lobby hosts can get on with organising the start of the race ie speeds, when to bunch up etc

BG Hainesy wrote:

OcR Project239X wrote:I'd also be happy to write it, or help write it if that helps you guys?

I'm not thinking of war and peace, just a couple of paragraphs to cover off the key detail.

Thats not actually a bad idea, a set "script" so that every driver gets the same info regardless of lobby. Have to be pretty short though so the lobby hosts can get on with organising the start of the race ie speeds, when to bunch up etc

Yeah, that's what I was trying to get across Hainesy, I'm rubbish when it comes to trying to put things into text and you manage to get straight to it with two lines

It took me ages to try and word it so that I didn't sound rude or ungrateful (hopefully it didn't come across as that).

Rollin InAn STi wrote:i do the best i can to go over the rules real briefly. wether im hosting for GT, ISCC, or TASCAR

and a mighty fine job you do too sir (from experience).

The first week I raced (ISCC Sebring) I understand it was a "stand in" host who did a great job but no brief was given about the parade lap procedure or speed limit etc. If we had a set script it wouldn't mater if it was a "stand in" host because it could be emailed to all hosts and that way everybody would have the same brief.

Gets my vote and think we should run with it.

Apologies for not getting anything to you yet guys, I had a motocross race last weekend and a full engine rebuild to do in the week in order to be ready on time. I'm riding this Saturday as well, so I will try and get this done for you by Sunday morning

Thinking on...........Just browsing through the championship standing in various tournaments there are a number of drivers who sign up for events occupying a car and then never actually turn up. Could some sort of register be formed for these guys, or those that appear for one or two races and then fail to attend?

(I mean serial offenders, not people who miss an event for unforeseen circumstances)

Then when signing up for new events a rule made stating any driver appearing on this register will only be granted their car choice (if still available) after all other applications have been processed.

To make this simple for the organisers a 'VLOOKUP' could be written to make it an automated process when allocating cars.

Please see below what I was thinking, I know it looks like War & Peace but I've read through it a couple of times and I think the host can read through this in 1.5 - 2 minutes tops. Obviously the event organisers will need to agree on the points marked X before the event. This is also by no means exhaustive but I think it covers off the key points and hopefully will make things easier for the TORA guys. I'm open to Suggestions......





Welcome to Lobby A of Round XX of the TORA XXXX Championship, I am Inspector Gadget and I will be host of lobby A tonight, in the unlikely event that I lag out this role will be assumed by Harold Shipman.

This is a short brief to cover off the key areas to ensure tonight's event runs smoothly please listen carefully. If you have any questions please wait until the end of the brief and I will do my best to answer these.

The first lap will be a parade lap for which the speed limit will be XXXmph whilst all cars manouvre into position, followed by a rolling start.

Host then asks "Bob you are on pole position, which side of the grid would you like to start on?"

Bob say's "Right side please host"

Competitors, all odd numbers will start on the left and all even will start on the right. Tonight's order is as follows;

1st Bob
2nd Bob's Brother
3rd Bob's Sister
4th etc etc

Once your in the correct position all competitors are to follow round in single file maintaining a safe distance to the car in front, there is to be NO brake testing during the parade lap, weaving is permitted to heat tyres. On approach to the final corner all cars are to assume grid formation (side by side in pairs).

Once through the final corner Bob at a time of his own discretion which MUST be before the start / finish line will countdown loudly "3-2-1 Go Go Go". Competitors are not to overtake until they have crossed the start / finish line.

There are two mandatory pitstops in this event, the first MUST be taken within the first 25 minutes of the race, this evening this will be XX minutes, the second must be taken after XX minutes but before the last two laps of the race. Yes extra pitstops can be made to repair damage but a second pitstop within the first 25 minutes will NOT count.

This is a multiclass event and as such it is your responsibility to be aware of what is happening behind you aswell as in front. If you are a car being lapped you MUST maintain your normal racing line. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE DEVIATE FROM YOUR NORMAL LINE TO ALLOW THE CAR TO PASS. The competitor will pass you when a safe opportunity arises.

If you lag out or suffer damage sufficient to force you to withdraw from the event please message your mileage to me the host over XBL once you have left the lobby. To avoid distracting myself and the other competitors please do not attempt to communicate this verbally during the race.

If you are unfortunate enough to be involved in a collision with another competitor and feel this requires investigation please follow the Stewards Inquiry process as outlined on the TORA website. For the sake of others do not attempt to discuss or portion blame whilst the race is in progress.

Once XX minutes is reached you are to finish the lap you are on recording the time you cross the line and your mileage and meet myself at point XXXXXXX with all other competitors. I will then request by GT your mileage and time for submitting into the final results. Once all of these are recorded It is then up to you if you wish to wait until the end timer to claim your credits.

Cheers dude great idea although lobby hosts should be doing this as per normal.

We will make sure all lobby hosts say this and explain in full etc

SelectiveRogue wrote:Cheers dude great idea although lobby hosts should be doing this as per normal.

We will make sure all lobby hosts say this and explain in full etc

Thanks mate - I neglected to include an important one, see below;

In Game Comms - In game comms are to be kept to minimum to avoid distracting fellow competitors. It is optional to make known your position or intention when making a pass out of courtesy but this does not mean the car your passing should yield to your advance. It is at the discretion of your competitor if he / she should decide to defend their position at any point during this advance.

just to let everyone know, the staff have decided to give the 2 classes per lobby (as previously discussed in this thread) we will have an exhibition race to test this! this way no ones points are effected and if it works there we'll impliment it into the series. we felt this was the best way with out it effecting the drivers points

So if all goes well with the 2 per lobby, it would be in effect for next race, right? Not todays race thats in about 20 minutes.

No the staff have yet to make any decision regarding 2 classes per lobby every sports car series we have ran has 3 -4 classes in each lobby since forza 2

We will get a test event going see what people reaction is plus our input etc

Can we get rid of the roll-off delay for the race itself? Not sure what the point is, and we in GTC had a really hard time getting back up to the field before the front straight. Realize it is a bit of a short track, but it doesn't seem necessary outside of qualifying.