Re: TCC Meeting 1 Discussion Thread – Maple Valley Short - 16/08/11

[lfcnicklfc]

looks like a Honda or an Acura will definately win today!

[nickyf1]

Not sure I can find anymore speed out of the Golf on such a short track.

You may well be right Nick!

[lfcnicklfc]

i'm on a 41.6 in the Golf and that is the absolute maximum, i can't change the build on the car as it only just fits in with the power/weight rules so i'm stuck with what i've got!

[nickyf1]

Ah, wheesht, don't go greetin' about it.

We'll do good on the night!

[Richy59]

imo the older Golf is much better

[ATR DAN]

looks like a Honda or an Acura will definately win today!

Or to put it another way: Real Honda vs Fake Honda! lol

I'm hoping it's gonna be a close race tonight. Judging by the laptimes, it's gonna be epic. But I still hope the battle is gonna be between real honda and fake honda.

[Richy59]

Good luck tonight guys!

[Ianmr]

Qually Results

A Lobby
DAN 2605 41.169
SelectiveRogue 41.654
nickyf1 41.657
lfcnicklfc 41.740
GTR Evoluzione 41.768
Ianmr 41.769
garyp3398 41.859

B Lobby
silentalarm42 41.950
CMGraphics 41.987
Kilroy8 42.510
FranchittiFan 42.769
eizoxian DNQ
JamiEngland DNQ

ckbrenneke DNS
JamiEngland DNS
Stonewall458 DNS

I am just sorting the Invites at the moment guys, will be with you in 2 minuets.

20 laps races.

Thanks

[ckBrenneke]

Sorry for my no-show, was getting ready to come on at 7.30 when I got a call from my mum saying my dad was in agony and had to go to hospital, so I had to go pick him up and take him to A'n'E.

[Ianmr]

Well done everyone!!

Best night of racing in a long long time!!!

Here are the full race results, the points will be updated ASAP.

Once again thanks all!!!

Qually Results

A Lobby
DAN 2605 41.169
SelectiveRogue 41.654
nickyf1 41.657
lfcnicklfc 41.740
GTR Evoluzione 41.768
Ianmr 41.769
garyp3398 41.859

B Lobby
silentalarm42 41.950
CMGraphics 41.987
Kilroy8 42.510
FranchittiFan 42.769
eizoxian DNQ
JamiEngland DNQ

ckbrenneke DNS
JamiEngland DNS
Stonewall458 DNS


Race One

Dan 2605
nickyF1
SelectiveRogue
lfcnicklfc
garyp3398
Ianmr
GTR Evoluzione

silentalarm42
CMGraphics
FranchittiFan
Kilroy8
eizoxian
JamiEngland

Race Two

Ianmr
lfcnicklfc
SelectiveRogue
nickyF1
Dan 2605
GTR Evoluzione
garyp3398

FranchittiFan
CMGraphics
silentalarm42
Kilroy8
eizoxian
JamiEngland



Race Three

SelectiveRogue
nickyF1
Dan 2605
garyp3398
Ianmr
lfcnicklfc
GTR Evoluzione

CMGraphics
silentalarm42
Kilroy8
FranchittiFan
JamiEngland
eizoxian

[Ax4x Chaddy]

ok results tonight... huge crash in race 3, hard race back to 4th from around 1,500ft back... new engine for Silverstone now

[nickyf1]

Fantastic racing all round, especially with Duncan in all three races, and ''Desperate Dan Austin'' in race 3

The amount of times me and Duncan crossed over each other in that first curve is uncountable. Very clean racing too from everybody, although there were some lapses at times..

[GTR Evoluzione]

This is probably controversial..

I hate disagreeing but I found a couple incidents not so clean.. People stuffed into the wall after giving plenty of room in race 2 and we had people re-joining the track and causing collisions which effectively ended race 1 for me.

I hold my hands up and say I made an error and shunted my team mate. But we all make errors and I accept errors, out braking, locking up, taking your brain out for a corner. I’ve been a giver and taker of such things, a sorry and we continue racing, it is a game after all..

I just don’t understand defending your line into the apex and someone just shunting you off to get past. If you are quicker you’ll get past, but half the art of racing is making your car wide and defending against people behind. But if we can’t defend our lines its not going to be good racing. Don’t have to be the quickest hot lapper, but you can be a better racer and have the better craft.

If the above continues I think we need the safety car to at least give people a fighting chance to have a decent nights racing

[ckBrenneke]

From my own stand-point, I expect the TCC to have a level of physicality about it. I expect to see people using their cars as obstacles, late lunges (that work!), leaning on each other, love taps, etc. The type of thing you see in the WTCC and BTCC, because that's the atmosphere we are attempting to recreate to a degree.

What I don't want to see is people punting others off. Alan Gow stated years ago that if you ruin someone else's race with a stupid move, TOCA would ruin yours and exlcude you. I see no reason why we can't have that mentality here at TORA.

I understand that emotions are high during a race. Yes, we are only sitting on a chair in front of a screen with a controller, not in a £100k racing car bashing panels with another £100k racing car, but I personally still get a bit of adrenaline pumping and nerves squirming when I am doing well in one of these races, so to be punted off or put out by stupid moves on someone else's part is understandably aggrevating. But you need to keep your cool and keep on going, because next time it could be you being over-ambitious and punting someone by mistake and ruining their race.

We've always been about fun rather than competition. But at the same time we need to be fair. So if anyone has any issues, the usual procedure applies. PM me or Duncan with the details of the incident, and we will look at it. I've already looked at a few from last night, and have to say that I wouldn't class them more than racing incidents. But I will also review our Safety Car regs for the next TCC meeting at Silverstone, as I take your point GTR Evo. We had some very good pack racing last night, and the cars were very, very close in performance. Being punted on lap three and having to spend the next 17 laps running round half a lap back isn't enjoyable, so we will review what our options are in this regard to keep things close.

[GTR Evoluzione]

Cheers scot.. 100% agree. I've always felt this is the TORA philosophy. and I think I did what you mentioned in the third paragraph (hmmm, what’s the optimum number of apologies to send your team mate when you take him out?)

[Ax4x Chaddy]

one should be the max and thats its... its racing at the end of the day.. unless your team thinks its ok to brake test you and the stewards to nothing about it....

[CQR Rogue]

All may I remind you all that Shane in Head Steward and that you should raise all issues with him, all replays from lobby A are on my storefront to view.

[nickyf1]

From the perspective I had, in amongst Ian, Duncan, Nick and Dan, I was very impressed with the quality of race craft. I've been racing for a few years now and have learned a lit about defensive driving, which was he only thing that kept me ahead of Dan in race 3.

[ckBrenneke]

Yeah, forgot Shane was Head Steward now, contact Shane with any issues.

[garyp3398]

Last nights races were just a reminder to me why i had decided to reduce the amount of racing i did on TORA.After watching the replays again at some points i find it very hard to even call it racing.

Very very disappointed

[ckBrenneke]

Shane is without broadband just now, so what I said originally still stands, PM Duncan or myself outlining incidents you want us to look at.

I can understand why you feel that way Gary, you had two races ruined through contact, and that's annoying. In fairness though, you can get that kinda racing anywhere, be it the real BTCC, a club race at Knockhill, a karting race at Cambuslang, the public hoppers, the TORA Trofeo Abarth (yes Chaddy, it's not forgotten) or even over in AJzero's series. Not that I know anything about that.

But if you want it reviewed then PM us.

Nevertheless the general consensus was that last night was enjoyable for the majority, the cars are very balanced (so far) and the TCC is back. Shame it's only a five round series - think we can petition Turn 10 to delay Forza 4 so we can sneak in a few more rounds?

[CQR Rogue]

hahah scot i say tcc same kind of rules on forza 4

[Richy59]

I think we have a very good formula for creating series these days so hopefully we should be able to get the TCC back up and running on FM4 sooner rather than later.

[Ax4x Chaddy]

oh dont worry ck i aint forgotten that either

If someone trys a matt neal on me there getting put in the wall. simple.

[ckBrenneke]

And we can take that as an admission of guilt, thanks.

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