1000 Kilometres of Camino Viejo Extreme

Hey guys,

In the weekend of 6-9 october the famous Bathurst 1000 will be held on Mount Panorama with the V8's

And then maybe the weekend after i would like to organise the Camino 1000 with the V8's

Here are some idea's:

Where? - Camino Viejo Extreme

Cars? - V8's Holden & Ford

Upgrades? - Stock with: Race Brakes, Race Transmission, Race driveline and 3rd Party Wheels.. Up to PI R3 717 ( I think with these upgrades the cars are pretty much the same (competative)

Rules? - Collisions ON
Damage OFF
ABS OFF
STM OFF
Braking Line ON or OFF (whatever you like)
1 pitstop each stint (maybe with a pistop window)

Put in 2 drivers per team

Because the race will take around 6 hrs we could make it a 6hr race with maybe 4 stints of 1,5 hr
And wat we could do is put the first 2 stints during daytime and than the last 2 stints during sunset..

Please let me know what you guys think of this

You'd have to put damage on and depending on the track distance and laps, split it into 4 even (enough) stints and do that, I was trying to do something like so maybe we could work together?

Thanks for you're input.. i'd like to work together with you on this one..

Damage on i think it's great but the main reason that we wanted to put damage off is that you can have a close fight without damaging the car to much..
I think that it's very difficult to stay out of trouble on Camino

we run this on FM3 was a good race I would talk to WWR Aero about it he ran the last one

As I have said regarding other Endurance races outside of our already planned ones, please try not to include the staff in the running and organizing of the event. We have a lot on our plates already and trying to fit in even more Endurance races that take up a full day isn't an option for us at the moment.

We have no problem however in these being run through the forums, and if we are are available I am sure the staff will race in them.

Richy59 wrote:As I have said regarding other Endurance races outside of our already planned ones, please try not to include the staff in the running and organizing of the event. We have a lot on our plates already and trying to fit in even more Endurance races that take up a full day isn't an option for us at the moment.

We have no problem however in these being run through the forums, and if we are are available I am sure the staff will race in them.

Yes of course, i know how much work you guys allready have in the existing events and endurances..
So this is also the reason that i will try, maybe with help of others to plan this without the staff..
But it would be great if the staff joins the race

I was in the party with the Dutch as they tried to figure out how to do this. They seem to want to use existing knowledge and resources, and adapt it to their needs.

Regardless, the only thing it seemed like they'd ask for from the TORA staff (if at all) would be possible opinions and guidance, not full-on organization. I give them credit for being so eager about it!

I agree, I am impressed by how eager everyone has become with doing these longer distance races. It was one of the least popular ideas last year, and now it has become one of the most sought after races to be a part of.

Opinions on this? Like Chaddy said it was run last year on a smaller scale and the guys really enjoyed it. You need to run Damage on an event like this, even if it 'Limited' as it will add to the Endurance of the race.

Assists wise, I would suggest allowing standard TORA ones as they are flexible and allow a lot of people to enjoy the racing an take part, even if they are not the best drivers, but that is up to you.

My only issue is the track. I have yet to see a single race on Camino that would fit TORA's standards of "close, clean racing". Besides that, with the switchbacks and all, the track feels entirely too fake for my tastes.

I'd be much happier seeing this at either Laguna Seca or Maple Valley.

great idea

I was also in the party as we were getting out idea's. This is a very great idea and it should be a very fun race if we get this going.

Yesterday evening we where testing on Camino and we came to the idea if you want to drive on Camino we should race with NO damage because it's too difficult to overtrake cars and stay clean in your stint..

Then Drake came with the idea to race with these V8's on Twin Ring Motegi Full.. Then we did some testing on Motegi aswell and
i think it's a good idea..

There are high speed sections and slow corners aswell..

It's a great track for these cars and also good to overtake others..

So i think if we want to race with damage ON we should do this on Motegi and if we want to race on Camino we should do this with damage OFF

What do you guys think about this??

I've tried twice to start this event with TORA staff because they're already flat out and It didn't really 'take off'. Now that I'd has I have 1000 ideas (get it 1000 km, 1000 ideas) so if you would like to throw them around with me soon that'd be awesome because I do want a v8 enduro but no one is into it, so if we get it properly thought out and set out, and get a heap of interest and then run it, that'd be so good, send me a friend request on XBL n we can start ASAP

One issue with running with damage OFF is a conflict in your wishes.
If you turn damage off, you essentially turn pit stops off too (you just pass straight through without stopping), yet you said you wanted to have one mandatory pit stop per stint. As Richy also said, having damage on also adds to the mindset of doing an endurance race. You play the long game and take more calculated risks when passing. With damage off, I fear that people would make a move without considering the consequences. I still think it should be run at Camino, with damage on. If people take heavy damage and lose lots of distance in a stint, that's life!!

If i can find the time ill race, id rather it was with damage tho.

WWR Aero wrote:With damage off, I fear that people would make a move without considering the consequences.. If people take heavy damage and lose lots of distance in a stint, that's life!!

Agreed.
The risk of damage is part of racing and brings realism to the event. Turn the damage off and suddenly you're just playing a video game.

I'd totally love to do this, but I agree with Mikey J on the track selection. Track feels completely fake (because it is) and it tends to have many wreck moments.

Maple Valley would be my first choice, but I think Motegi would be pretty cool too.

Damage should be on though, no matter the track.

C'mon guys, if we're doing the 1000 with the V8's it's gotta b Laguna, granted its half the size, but it has the two things Bathurst is know for; large amounts of eliciting change, and the corkscrew. I know MV has elevation changes as well and it's bigger and it's a good track for V8's but it's all about the corkscrew haha

Hurr Durr mountain Hurr Durr Fujimi Kaido.


But seriously, I would assume that MV or Laguna Seca would be better for this than Camino. And as for Motegi, no. You aren't doing a replica race at a track with such great elevation changes on a track that is so flat.

I don't like Kaido and Camino at all but I think Morphader should stick by his plan.
Driving on Camino, damage on.
That's a challenge.

agreed

Yes, for now i will stick by my plan of doing it on Camino because i like the track very much.. On FM3 it was one of my favorites..
And if this is a succes, for the next one we can always go to different tracks..

Yesterday we did some testing again on Camino with the damage ON and oke it's hard but it is possible to overtake cars and i think although it's not a real track it's still a very challenging track to race on..

And like Richy said i will use the TORA rules for the race..

Camino Extereme is not a bad track at all. The ISCC race held there earlier this year was a blast. The only bad thing about the track is the sticky pavement at the chicane at the end of the long back straight. Running just a bit too wide there means that the car immediately behind you will most likely run into the back of you.


Despite Camino being a great track, I still think Laguna Seca is the better in-game substitute for Mount Panorama.

A race at Camino would be cool.

I've done some (more) maths n testing and I tried maple valley n camino.
With camino, lap times about 2:50's and if we do 4 stints, that's 36 laps each, so 26 by 2:50 is 1 hr 41 minutes a stint 6 hours 42 minutes in total, however, as Duke said, the sticky at the end of the back straight is pathetic and in the V8's you have to brake too much to make it through there without hitting them, and then the rest of the test track bit is not too flash and coming out of the switch backs (most of them) the cars just slide out, and being someone who's been in a real V8, the cars don't feel 'at home' there (my personal opinion, but your the main man so it's your decision)
Then I did some at maple valley and the cars feel a lot better there, they don't under and oversteer anywhere as much as camino, and it feels a lot smoother n more like Bathurst. The lap times are a lot quicker (1:35 ish) and if we did four stints, each stint would be 52 laps in distance which is 1 hr 21, so total race time would be 5 hrs 24 minutes,
I am only posting this as a guide so it saves u some time haha, if u do or don't use it it's up to you, but as I've said I'm still here for any more advice you have
Cheers n talk soon