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Post by Biggsy tv Sun 12 Aug 2012 - 11:52

I'd prefer 2hour 45min stints


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Post by CQR Rogue Sun 12 Aug 2012 - 11:57

CMGraphix wrote:I'd prefer 2hour 45min stints

well my two cents agree with Simion 2 hour 45 is a endurance race stint so im game for this !


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Post by theboomeranga Sun 12 Aug 2012 - 12:42

I recon 2 hr 45 will be tough but it will be a lot easier for the organizers as well, and this is an endurance race and 1 hr 45 min stint isn't long enough, at Le mans I was looking forward to a nice long race with other drivers and it was over before I knew...
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Post by Mandown46 Sun 12 Aug 2012 - 13:53

I would prefer the 1.45 stints, much easier to get drivers to be able to cover the times that way. Especially during the early hours where its more likely that a team needs to double stint.
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Post by lfcnicklfc Sun 12 Aug 2012 - 14:29

I'd prefer 1:45 as well, yes it's an enduro race but I don't fancy racing with a pad for 2:45! Plus it's just easier to cover drivers and if you lag out early on then it's less of a penalty so if you lag out you're atleast still in with a chance of a half decent result, that's what I think anyway.
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Post by Ax4x Kane Sun 12 Aug 2012 - 15:05

I've done 6 solid hours in both endurance races. So it shouldn't be too hard Smile I'm fine with doing both.
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Post by LMR DarthMario Sun 12 Aug 2012 - 15:26

we ran 3hr stints (ran til 2hr45 if i recall) in the 2011 TORA 24hr LeMans Challenge, and i loved it! shame i had to off the track leading up to Indianapolis 2/3rds of the way through my 2nd stint, cuz i couldnt hold going to the bathroom any longer. Razz


...thinking back, if i had gone before the final stint started, i probably would've been able to catch back up with the GLR Audi. oh well.



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Post by Adder 020 Sun 12 Aug 2012 - 16:26

I like 2hrs 45.
That's the real endurance style with pitstop.

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Post by Guest Sun 12 Aug 2012 - 17:22

I think 2hrs is more than long enough to sit none stop staring in front of your tele, as it is only a game not like real life were you can actually look around and see more than 4 walls lol.

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Post by Ax4x Mikey J Sun 12 Aug 2012 - 18:07

Two hour stints. I have done a three hour stint in the XBR 12h of Nordschleffe, and could hardly finish one stint, where in the TORA 24H of LeMans, I could triple... the difference is in the break @ two hours.


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Post by F4H Lotterer Sun 12 Aug 2012 - 22:46

2.45hr stints FTW haha ill even double stint through the night Wink
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Post by Ax4x Mikey J Sun 12 Aug 2012 - 23:59

A couple things to think about:

The more people you add to your team, the more connection risks you'll encounter. I know a few FM4 racers who I trust to share a ride with, subtract those already with a team, then subtract those with unstable connections, and there's not many possibilities to team up with. Which brings me to my next point...

Lagging out or destroying the car 15 minutes into a couple two hour stint is a deep hole to dig your team out of, 15 mins into a couple three hour stints and most people would find something else to do than race three hours at a time while 6 hours behind the field.

Racing three hours at a time with few cars on the track due to lag outs and/or severe damage is a great way to lose concentration, lose interest, or fall asleep.

I guess I shouldn't mind winning on attrition, but it will feel a bit hollow a victory.


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Post by DTA SpecialK Mon 13 Aug 2012 - 0:06

i would be up for the 2hr45 mins as it will be a proper endurance race then....

but i will be up for either stint length.

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Post by Zeta0085 Mon 13 Aug 2012 - 0:53

I did a 3hr race for a Le Mans enduro. I was 2 laps ahead of the second place driver in the P1 division. It was an endurance of how long I can keep myself focused when there was no one else to race against aside from lapped traffic.

For the record there were 3 P1's, 2 P2's and 6 GT's racing at the time.

As someone who's made four trips from New York to Ohio ((10 hour drive)), I think I'd be able to manage a three hour stint. Not sure if I could double stint Laughing
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Post by CRA Project182R Mon 13 Aug 2012 - 2:11

Flyin Mikey J wrote:A couple things to think about:

The more people you add to your team, the more connection risks you'll encounter. I know a few FM4 racers who I trust to share a ride with, subtract those already with a team, then subtract those with unstable connections, and there's not many possibilities to team up with. Which brings me to my next point...

Lagging out or destroying the car 15 minutes into a couple two hour stint is a deep hole to dig your team out of, 15 mins into a couple three hour stints and most people would find something else to do than race three hours at a time while 6 hours behind the field.

Racing three hours at a time with few cars on the track due to lag outs and/or severe damage is a great way to lose concentration, lose interest, or fall asleep.

I guess I shouldn't mind winning on attrition, but it will feel a bit hollow a victory.

I've discussed this with our team at OcR and all four of us who will enter the Britcar completely agree with every point made by Mike. We competed in the 24hr Le Mans and started and finished every single stint (no lag outs) finishing in 3rd overall and loved every minute.

But 3 Hours is simply too long, first bit of damage and the interest would fall through the floor. My suggestion would be to ban double stinting in order to make it run smoother.

We did all agree with forced pit stops though, we think this would be a good idea.
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Post by LMR DarthMario Mon 13 Aug 2012 - 2:14

ive driven from Connecticut to North Carolina, with the only stops for fuel and a bathroom break, and that was about 11hrs. mind you, i had my '09 STi with a CBE installed, and enjoyed every minute of it. love the Subaru 'rumble'. My uncle... not so much, and i quote, "Next time, you have to put the stock exhaust back on"



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Post by Duke of Bruno Mon 13 Aug 2012 - 3:14

OcR Project239X wrote:...
My suggestion would be to ban double stinting in order to make it run smoother.

We did all agree with forced pit stops though, we think this would be a good idea.
I wouldn't ban double stinting, as sometimes having someone run back to back stints is needed within a team; I would suggest that that there should not be double stinting between certain stints though. (eg: between the 3rd & 4th stints, 6th & 7th stints, and 9th & 10th stints) That way, if a lobby gets behind schedule, there will be a chance to get back on schedule.

And yes to forced pit stops. I have yet to pit for a TEC race.
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Post by Ax4x Mikey J Mon 13 Aug 2012 - 4:19

OcR Project239X wrote:
My suggestion would be to ban double stinting in order to make it run smoother.

Unless you end up with a two man team. Single stints would prevent anyone from actually sleeping. When I did the 24 with Andy, I had to triple stint so that he could get six hours of sleep, then he tripled while I slept. And we had planned on a third driver, but he failed to show up due to a power outage. I know of other teams that had the same issues with teammates not showing up, including a guy who did four or five stints in a row due partly to his teammates' connections failing.


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Post by Ianmr Mon 13 Aug 2012 - 13:00

2.45 for me, alot easyer to organise aswell.


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Post by BG Beanz Mon 13 Aug 2012 - 18:26

I don't think i'll be competing in this, but if i was, i'd up for it.

Anywho, by the time you've raced for 2hrs, another hour makes no difference to be honest!
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Post by Ax4x Mikey J Mon 13 Aug 2012 - 18:40

Beanz, wanna run a stint with us? Not too sure which class just yet, but I am thinking of running in the 24H of the Stone with Hailfire and I think we'll need one more driver.


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Post by Richy59 Mon 13 Aug 2012 - 19:27

Thanks for the feedback regarding stint time. We still would like more however, but we will be making a decision this week.

So far, going by numbers, there is more in favour for 2hrs 45mins stints however I am in complete agreement with the issues that going for that long can cause, although it will also be a good thing tactically for a race like this regarding pitstops.

The more people who chip in the better!


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Post by Ax4x Mikey J Mon 13 Aug 2012 - 19:33

Want pit stops? Why not force drag slicks? That would be an effective way to make people pit, and add some tire strategy to the race... like F1 on Pirellis.


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Post by Richy59 Mon 13 Aug 2012 - 19:37

Yeah but the cars don't handle the same and that would put even more people off than running longer stints. We tried it at Le Mans awhile ago and whilst it was fun, not many people wanted to do it.


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Post by F4H Lotterer Mon 13 Aug 2012 - 19:40

Flyin Mikey J wrote:Want pit stops? Why not force drag slicks? That would be an effective way to make people pit, and add some tire strategy to the race... like F1 on Pirellis.

maybe a bit late to add slicks to the event , but good call though ive raced using these tyres before and it makes you think about your strategy as 1 lap to late or to early can destroy your race ive found , it also makes you think about your tuning more also as mass downforce is a no go for these tyres.
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