Re: TORA MSA GT Endurance Series - General Discussion

by TfR Milton Sun 9 Dec 2012 - 23:17

its a shame its happened mopar honestly. bet your glad i asked abou aye Laughing

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i have o fit in time over weekends and late evenings
I have a short list of 6-7 cars and never tuned a car before with succses even with race tires so have no clue with drag. im happy to sned over wht ive got if you want,id rather have close race at the back than win bye miles

i have a full time job, so my time is short too Very Happy

by TfR Milton Sun 9 Dec 2012 - 23:18

Any tips on tuning with drag tires would be appriecated study

by TG Axiom Sun 9 Dec 2012 - 23:18

mopar4t4 wrote:
VVV Axiom wrote:
mopar4t4 wrote:great, now I have to find yet another car, but im away to test....

The idea is not to find 'yet another car' that will dominate but that suits you most. And make sure the rest are as quick as one another.

I had assumed that because im not the greatest tuner in the world that someone from a superpower team would be able to match that in another car. I had that car chosen for about 2 weeks now, and spent a lot of time with it. I had already finished a paint on it and everything.

Now because I have exams all this week I won't be getting home until after registration, so I can't go back and test any other cars. I had a backup, but im not sure if that was the best choice.

Needless to say I'm a tad pissed that this wasn't picked up earlier, so now my team is screwed. If a car was that dominate it should have never been on the list. I trust TORA to have everything in order prior to that list being released, meaning all the cars were equal. I thought maybe I hit a sweet spot with the tune and that was why it was much faster.

Your own fault for keeping it quiet and not raisin your findings early on, tad unsporting.

by F4H Drake Sun 9 Dec 2012 - 23:27

mopar4t4 wrote:Now because Needless to say I'm a tad pissed that this wasn't picked up earlier, so now my team is screwed. If a car was that dominate it should have never been on the list. I trust TORA to have everything in order prior to that list being released, meaning all the cars were equal. I thought maybe I hit a sweet spot with the tune and that was why it was much faster.

It's hard to offer such a diverse car list and make sure that they are as close to equal as possible, especially when you cannot divulge so much timing into testing. The theory is for drivers to take note of such outliers and draw them into question.

by XPR Roadrunner Sun 9 Dec 2012 - 23:29

Honestly, I didn't raise the concern because if the list was published, I trust that TORA has done adequate testing. And now we know they haven't.

I've posted that the car was this fast weeks ago, I just didn't say what car it was because WE ALL HIDE OUR CHOICES. Everyone knows this.

If it was such a concern a TORA staff member could have shot me off a PM when I posted my finding on the 3 threads I've talked about it.

I can't be the only one to blame here.

by **Biggsy tv** Sun 9 Dec 2012 - 23:37

mopar4t4 wrote:Honestly, I didn't raise the concern because if the list was published, I trust that TORA has done adequate testing. And now we know they haven't.

I have done testing on all cars, but one person cannot find every loophole there is with limited time. Our main series still remains the sprint series hence more rounds in this transition period.

by XPR Roadrunner Sun 9 Dec 2012 - 23:39

only one person tests the cars?

by **Biggsy tv** Sun 9 Dec 2012 - 23:45

mopar4t4 wrote:only one person tests the cars?

We have dedicated test teams, but not much feedback recently as many of staff have been very very busy in recent months. The GT4 list is provisional as the carlist states

by XPR Roadrunner Sun 9 Dec 2012 - 23:49

so, if we could potentially have another car on that list that is as fast as the Tesla, maybe faster and we could potentially find out at Sunset?

by TG Wormburner Sun 9 Dec 2012 - 23:50

Drake Hellspawn wrote:
VVV Axiom wrote:
CMGraphix wrote:done. Obviously something I didn't find on our testing.

Got to be with the power handicap not quite being effective enough with the electric and it's dodgy automatic powerband.

Power handicaps seem to not be as effective on hi revving (read: Hondas) and electric vehicles as it is on lower revving engines (read: Viper/Corvette).

That's not a problem with the power handicaps. Look at any leaderboard car in FM3 or FM4 and you will find one thing in common. Those cars all make their power at the upper end of the power band and most cars stay there throughout the lap. It is why the centrifugal supercharger is so valuable. It makes it's power late in the powerband while a Twin Screw or Turbo charger get a jump on the launch to the first 2/3 of the powerband. On rare occasions like the Ford Fiesta a turbo also will increase power like a centrifugal supercharger but this is rare.

Those cars are just naturally better. The Tesla must have some sort of problem with the handicap. It is also not a terrible car, just a pain to drive.

by **Biggsy tv** Sun 9 Dec 2012 - 23:51

Being powered completely differently, the Tesla was a gamble, obviously one that didn't work. I am tempted to postpone the entries for the enduros and do further testing. If there are people wishing to help with fine tuning, I'm more than welcome for helpers. Smile

by Ax4x Kane Sun 9 Dec 2012 - 23:53

Mopar you always seem to have weeks of exams. How cruel is your school lol!

I haven't tested anything yet. But may go with the TVR Sagaris. As I anticipate it to not be popular.

And why is there no Forza Aero allowed? Sad

by **Diablo 29x** Sun 9 Dec 2012 - 23:53

The XFR is a joke. Drove it, and it sucks, badly.

Also, scrap the 2 Eleven and the Exige, they are too quick for literally everything. The Boss compared to those two is simply ridiculous.

Simon, I can do some testing, post some times in a spreadsheet.

by XPR Roadrunner Sun 9 Dec 2012 - 23:59

F4H Diablo wrote:The XFR is a joke. Drove it, and it sucks, badly.

Also, scrap the 2 Eleven and the Exige, they are too quick for literally everything. The Boss compared to those two is simply ridiculous.

Simon, I can do some testing, post some times in a spreadsheet.

I drove the 2-11 and it was the slowest car I tested.... by a lot.

CMGraphix wrote:Being powered completely differently, the Tesla was a gamble, obviously one that didn't work. I am tempted to postpone the entries for the enduros and do further testing. If there are people wishing to help with fine tuning, I'm more than welcome for helpers.

yes please! I need some time to find a back up, and because of my exams (yes Kilroy, my school hates me Sad

) I can't get home till after registration starts.

Just a week at most.

by **Diablo 29x** Mon 10 Dec 2012 - 0:04

Really? Maybe I just picked crappy cars to compare it to.

by XPR Roadrunner Mon 10 Dec 2012 - 0:09

yup. slower than the Maserati

by F4H Drake Mon 10 Dec 2012 - 0:09

CMGraphix wrote:Being powered completely differently, the Tesla was a gamble, obviously one that didn't work. I am tempted to postpone the entries for the enduros and do further testing. If there are people wishing to help with fine tuning, I'm more than welcome for helpers.

I wouldn't mind helping out. Though I prefer not driving on drag slicks, thus why I posted that sheet about the Sprint Series.

by TG Axiom Mon 10 Dec 2012 - 0:10

Haven't tryed the Elise or 2-11 yet. Be interesting to see how they go mind.

by TfR Milton Mon 10 Dec 2012 - 0:11

So far all the cars I've tried have hit roughly sane times on sunset aroun the low 1:43 mark, I don't think any more added just tesla gone, also the jag is way to heavy to keep up and havent tried the lotus's, would the jaguar xkr 2008 fit, close to an Aston
Tested
BMW 08
BMW 05
Toyota mr-s
Scion frs
Hyundai genesis
Nissan 370z

by XPR Roadrunner Mon 10 Dec 2012 - 0:11

ya, I did testing for my own series, MMTCC, and the Boss sucks Poop

. No matter what I tried, I couldn't the lap times to match even the Challenger SRT8

by **Diablo 29x** Mon 10 Dec 2012 - 0:20

perhaps raise the PI on the Boss to make it competitive? It's a fantastic car, and it deserves a run Very Happy

by XPR Roadrunner Mon 10 Dec 2012 - 0:22

methinks more testing is in order, Simon, best if the registration gets pushed back methinks

by XPR Roadrunner Mon 10 Dec 2012 - 0:23

argh I hate no editing. If the boss is there, only fair if the camaro and the challenger are there too

by F4H Drake Mon 10 Dec 2012 - 0:33

Already see people saying the Jaguar XFR is too heavy to be competitive, but it's also too heavy just to be legal. Max weight is 3399 lbs, but the only way to get it there is to not have a roll cage which is mandatory.

by TG Wormburner Mon 10 Dec 2012 - 0:34

You need to eliminate cars, not keep adding to it because car x or y is in. That's how imbalances occur. You'd now have three cars slower than the others instead of one

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