TORA TEC 12 hours of Silverstone General Discussion

Why no engine upgrade? It'd be the slowest car.

AdamWatson99 wrote:I hope that the BMW Z4 GT3 is in both rounds with no engine upgrades

I just hope it doesn't have a power handicap haha

Does returning teams have to re pick cars?

XPR Soundwave wrote:Does returning teams have to re pick cars?

Yes they do.

I kinda figured but just wanted to be sure

CRA Erebus wrote:i know you've said to wait for the car list to be finalized, but i don't understand how and why the Audi and Mercedes wont be included as they are in britcar (i believe) and they dominate Nurburgring?
i only ask because it makes sense to me to have them

+1, If this is the case, as much as I like everyone to be able to fight for the win, I just as much appreachiate autenticity. However it is understandable if we can not use them. But isnt that where a Handicap plays in?

They're running the cars to GT2 specs, which means any GT3 car will be hard to perform, as they're handling isn't as good, and their top end won't be there. So even if the cars were in the series, and balanced properly, they wouldn't dominate.

Staff has a team working on the MacLaren, Mercedes and Audi to see if they will fit in. We know that they are used successfully in real life, so we are trying to squeeze them in.

Otherwise the car list would be finalized.

Whats happening with the Z4 GT3

use the current TCC car list use and current GTE car list

TCC -

http://forums.theonlineracingassociation.com/t11126-msa-tora-tcc-season-8-car-list-and-build-rules

GTE -

http://forums.theonlineracingassociation.com/t10543-msa-tora-iscc-season-5-car-list-and-build-rules

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x3 cars trying to fit in may not work will feed back friday

Texaspotatolord wrote:They're running the cars to GT2 specs, which means any GT3 car will be hard to perform, as they're handling isn't as good, and their top end won't be there. So even if the cars were in the series, and balanced properly, they wouldn't dominate.

I don't see any problem with the GT3 cars compared to the GT2, Apart from the Z4 and Mclaren which are grip cars there is no problem with top end for the SLS GT3, in the corners the Z4 & Mclaren are nearly better than all GT2 cars apart from the lambo

But thats my opinion

AdamWatson99 wrote:in the corners the Z4 & Mclaren are  nearly better than all GT2 cars apart from the lambo

Dunno what GT2 cars you're driving then. Go on a track like Infineon, a grip and acceleration track, and a Corvette or Viper will out perform a Z4(even if it had max tire width). Despite the Z4 having better acceleration than the two. GT2 cars have much better aero grip.

I'm not saying that GT3 cars will be horrible though, they can still be competitive. But they won't dominate.

i just don't get why we couldn't use the cars for GT from last year?
the car list was great, and just tweak it a bit if needed
not taking anything away from the testing group, they do a great job, just thought it'd be the easiest and most time efficient way to do it

What's wrong with GTE?

Texaspotatolord wrote:

AdamWatson99 wrote:in the corners the Z4 & Mclaren are  nearly better than all GT2 cars apart from the lambo

Dunno what GT2 cars you're driving then. Go on a track like Infineon, a grip and acceleration track, and a Corvette or Viper will out perform a Z4(even if it had max tire width). Despite the Z4 having better acceleration than the two. GT2 cars have much better aero grip.

I'm not saying that GT3 cars will be horrible though, they can still be competitive. But they won't dominate.

Im just down with anything thats reliable and good in the corners, as we all know corners are where consistancy is often broken, and Consitancy is one of the key things you need in my honest opinion

nothing's wrong with GTE, just though it'd be easier to use a car list that's balanced from last year, than have to modify a current one to fit 2/3 cars

We'll have this finalized hopefully by the end of this weekend and get things moving.

sorry if i seem so against it all, i'm not i love you guys' work, just voicing my opinion
cannot wait no matter the GT car list

If TORA are going to try and go real with the car list. The BMW Z4 GT3,Mercedes SLS & Mclaren MP4-12C GT3 are in the britcar event & the nurburgring 24HRS. So in my opinion if you are trying to keep it real, The Z4, SLS & Mclaren MP4-12C GT3 are have to be in it, Texas the GT3 cars will not 'dominate' but might have a chance of winning or even a podium, its and endurance race anything could happen

Texaspotatolord wrote:What's wrong with GTE?

Nothing. ISCC builds are even around Silverstone. Audi and McLaren can fit in with 15% Power Handicap and added tire width + engine upgrades. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get the Mercedes in. That car is to quick on the straights and the to slow in the corners.

I doubt if the builds will remain the same for the Nordschleife race. Builds are not balanced for that track.

Koenigsegg wrote:

Texaspotatolord wrote:What's wrong with GTE?

Nothing. ISCC builds are even around Silverstone. Audi and McLaren can fit in with 15% Power Handicap and added tire width + engine upgrades. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get the Mercedes in. That car is to quick on the straights and the to slow in the corners.

I doubt if the builds will remain the same for the Nordschleife race. Builds are not balanced for that track.

You could fit most if not all the cars in if you went with the Season 10 GT specs rather than the ISCC GTE specs.

+1 i agree with wumba you will have more people participate in the eveny

People aren't going to take part in an event because 1-2 cars are not being included, which aren't in ISCC anyway?  

Personally I don't care if it's GTE or GT3. If the it excludes the Audi and McLaren I don't see the fuss. There are still a fair amount of cars for people to choose from and if the build rules are changed for the N24 I'm sure it will be for our benefit for better racing

The Audi is too slow, the McLaren is likely too fast (you can tune this car to go faster than you think), and the Mercedes absolutely will not work. They are all best left out.

Wumba, the Season 10 GT cars were not nearly as balanced as the ISCC cars. You can go back and reference the season and it's complaints all you want. You can also look at the series drop outs where 200 + people signed up yet multiple people in the top 60 did about 3 rounds. I know I quit because there wasn't a good balance.