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Post by TG Wormburner Tue 13 Aug 2013 - 22:13

Oh, I haven't tried less tire width on the McLaren. In all honesty I think adding in more cars last minute is a mistake. Whatever is done is rushed and that usually leads to a problem.

BMW needs aero and goes 162 mph with a small amount (R.Atl tune).
McLaren does 163 mph. (no aero needed)
Lamborghini does 161 with power handicap build. (no aero needed)
Porsche does 161

I just believe it COULD BE too fast once people get going. I have to run a lot of laps on Silverstone to do anything worthwhile, I suck here. Right now I don't think it is but I haven't got the time to sit and really make for 100% sure. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
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Post by CQR Rogue Tue 13 Aug 2013 - 23:29

Cheers Worm,

Yea seems that way thanks for your help much appreciated
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Post by LMR DarthMario Wed 14 Aug 2013 - 1:01

tbh, i dont think the Lambo needs the power-handicap build for Silverstone. granted, all the cars i ran thus far are with the default tuning, its maybe 3mph MAX slower than the other cars, but it more than makes up for it in the corners. i'll repost my 'Doc' in this post to show the time i ran with it tonight



will get to the DBR9, Viper and Porka tomorrow.
***i forgot how much Understeer the Ford has with the default tune. took me 3 full laps to come to grips with that. been spending alot of time with a tune under it (ISCC racing/testing Razz )
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Post by TG Wormburner Wed 14 Aug 2013 - 1:20

I'm running tuned cars. The Lambo needs it, it ran an entire season in ALMS at VM with the handicap and performed well and equal. Takumi and Amarth ran identical times in both vehicles. The Lambo proved itself in the last season that it sucks ass in a race more than enough to justify the handicap. Corners don't matter in a race when you get passed in the straight and have to sit behind the slower cornering car.

The Lambo always qualified well and then got stomped in the race. Ask any driver that was in it.
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Post by LMR DarthMario Wed 14 Aug 2013 - 1:26

ok, noted. what would the build be for the 'power restricted' Lambo then? i could try the car again with that build.
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Post by Guest Wed 14 Aug 2013 - 1:26

TG Wormburner wrote:
The Lambo always qualified well and then got stomped in the race. Ask any driver that was in it.
A couple of them did well in the GT's round Catalunya, two decent drivers put them pole if im not mistaken, and I think they finished the race(s) quite high if not 1st/2nd, not sure though.

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Post by TG Wormburner Wed 14 Aug 2013 - 2:28

Lots of good drivers picked the Lamborghini on lap times then complained about it's race pace. It's impossible to defend in that is why I would suggest a change.

The Lambo build is just removing the restrictors, race brakes, driveline, 310/330 tires. I think those tire widths are stock.
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Post by Guest Wed 14 Aug 2013 - 2:38

I do agree on that account, if a car can outperform in the corners, all it takes is a good grid start, and minimal mistakes made, otherwise in the reverse situation, the lambo would just be breaking early to avoid the car infront, whilst they just laugh away down the straights.

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Post by RumbleBee 392 Wed 14 Aug 2013 - 4:20

That's how we felt with the viper, but the power build helped equal it to a point... Not quite tho IMO
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Post by Richy59 Fri 16 Aug 2013 - 10:25

Anymore thoughts? It's too late at this stage to start trying to change the builds of cars like the Lambo which have been tested and judged - for ISCC anyway - to be fair.

If the McLaren fits then lets go with that. I am not against putting in the Audi and Mercedes if they are a bit too slow. I understand that they won't be on the same outright hotlap race pace as the top cars, but it is an Endurance race and they might surprise.

I had a look at last season's ISCC Audi and this is it's Spec:

758 -- GTE -- Audi R8 LMS -- Race drive line, Front tyre width 310, Rear tyre width 350 and 3rd party wheels

Does this suit?

If we are going to add the SLS then we will leave it at Standard Power and add some tyre widths on to make it competitive in the corners.
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Post by LMR DarthMario Fri 16 Aug 2013 - 10:36

The Audi and the sls I think are just off pace.the sheet I posted in one of my last post shows that when they're tuned, they are a full second off the untuned gte's. The McLaren build on page one seemed to work in my untuned test run. I can give these three cars another today.
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Post by F4H Lotterer Fri 16 Aug 2013 - 10:38

i think it will be safer to just leave them out , but at the same time we include the Aston so its only fair to add the 3 even if they are a tad off pace.
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Post by CQR Rogue Fri 16 Aug 2013 - 13:59

Leave all 3 out is my verdict.

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Post by TG Wormburner Fri 16 Aug 2013 - 15:21

You can tune that McLaren and it flies and it is a tune not many will ever figure out.

Raise the front ride height all the way, minimum rear
Both roll bars at 1.0
Diff at 100 accel and I think 10 decel
High bump with minimum rebound.

It then handles like a dream and goes faster in the straights.
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Post by F4H Lotterer Fri 16 Aug 2013 - 15:38

ok keep it safe leave the 3 out.
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Post by Guest Fri 16 Aug 2013 - 15:45

I agree, if there is a risk of one car being too competitive, and the other 2 not even coming close to the pack, probably best to forget about them and keep the list we have now.

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Post by CQR D4N13L Fri 16 Aug 2013 - 20:20

Hey guys, sorry if I'm too late to post this. Didn't realize I was still part of the Test Team.

With the Mclaren, I tried 3 builds, all with stock tunes. They are as follows:

-Max tyres, Restrictor 1, - 1.49.890

-Front 310, Rear 330, Restrictor 1, Race brakes - 1.50.309

-Front 320, Rear 340, Restrictor 1, Race brakes - 1.49.963

I also tested the 458 and Viper with stock tunes just for a comparison, the 458 I ran a 1.49.8 and the Viper got a 1.50.081.
So the Mclaren seems to me to be quite equal between the 2 with the last build I tried but not too far off with the second build.

@Worm, I think most GT cars would react the same to that sort of tune. If you look at replays from GT S9 you'll see 458s, Lambos, Mclarens, even Ford GTs with a ridiculously high front end.

Hope this helps and I'll try to get more testing done over the weekend.
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Post by CQR Rogue Fri 16 Aug 2013 - 20:22

CQR D4N13L wrote:Hey guys, sorry if I'm too late to post this. Didn't realize I was still part of the Test Team.

With the Mclaren, I tried 3 builds, all with stock tunes. They are as follows:

-Max tyres, Restrictor 1,    - 1.49.890

-Front 310, Rear 330, Restrictor 1, Race brakes   - 1.50.309

-Front 320, Rear 340, Restrictor 1, Race brakes   - 1.49.963

I also tested the 458 and Viper with stock tunes just for a comparison, the 458 I ran a 1.49.8 and the Viper got a 1.50.081.
So the Mclaren seems to me to be quite equal between the 2 with the last build I tried but not too far off with the second build.

@Worm, I think most GT cars would react the same to that sort of tune. If you look at replays from GT S9 you'll see 458s, Lambos, Mclarens, even Ford GTs with a ridiculously high front end.

Hope this helps and I'll try to get more testing done over the weekend.
Cheers dude did you think the MP4-12C was to quick? or potentially to quick?
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Post by TG Wormburner Fri 16 Aug 2013 - 21:15

Daniel, and I'm not trying to just argue here, but you know full well the extent a good tune has on a car being in the Aston and how to unlock their potential. It isn't just the front ride height. We have a tune for the car that is very good from the GT series. We were in the McLaren before realizing it cannot accelerate and switching to the piece of junk Audi.

Anything you do in a stock car cannot compete and that is some of the problem. We have tunes for the majority of these vehicles by now so running them all stock is wasted effort when we can do more.

For comparison's sake, and you are just as fast, here is a look at Silverstone qualifying times in the same exact build save the wheels. You're more than a second off of pole here and you are fast enough to get it. Hell, you're running the same time my slow ass is in a few laps.

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Post by TG Wormburner Fri 16 Aug 2013 - 21:16

Ugh, forum cut it off. You can open in a new tab to see the times ran.
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Post by CQR D4N13L Sat 17 Aug 2013 - 12:26

@ Rogue, I think it could be quick, with stock tune, I ran a time between the 458 (acknowledged as one of the best cars) and the viper (acknowledged as one of the slower cars). For the last couple of seasons, people have been moaning about the Viper being off the pace. I've already ran a 1.49.4 with half a tune on one which would have put me 5th. So I reckon the Mclaren would be OK. Not too quick but not off the pace.

Admittedly, some cars will find more time from a tune than others. So if anyone has some tunes I could possibly try that would be great.

I have only been testing with stock tunes as I have been busy with work lately and didn't even know I was still part of the test team. So all my testing was done to my preference ( testing cars stock and seeing which cars could be off the pace before I start tuning).

@Worm, I know you're not here to make arguements, neither am I. I know it's more than just front ride height that makes a tune, I only responded to the tune you put up before. I'm just sharing what I've found so far.

But if you guys have already tested the Mclaren tuned and say it's too quick, then just leave it out.
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Post by TG Wormburner Sat 17 Aug 2013 - 13:00

I'll ship over the tune later today Daniel. The 1/1 roll bars and the differential made a big difference. I can't remember the whole thing off the top of my head. It's been a while.

I should be home from work after while.
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Post by CQR D4N13L Sat 17 Aug 2013 - 13:27

Cheers Worm, you too Warspite, I'll try your tune in a bit. Just working on another car at the moment
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Post by Ax4x Mikey J Sat 17 Aug 2013 - 19:01

I'm not sure if any of my input would have even been useful, but I've been unable to do any testing of the three cars due to the in-lobby restrictions requiring XBL, as I let my Gold lapse until yesterday.

In previous experience, whenever % power restrictions come into play, thats a signal that things aren't quite right.
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Post by CQR Rogue Sat 17 Aug 2013 - 19:22

Yea thinking all, all 3 not be included?
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