2014 MSA TORA Sebring 12 Hours General Discussion

Can I submit an entry if I know what class I'm want to be in but I'm undecided on the car?

All American Racers is back for 2014 as well, though Smurfy has parted ways with AAR and is racing for his club.

Also, our "sponsors" will be very sports-oriented. Anyone care to guess?

Can I ask those who are racing in GT (the same category as myself) whether you guys use a lot of downforce or very little for Sebring? I've always sucked around here and have always struggled to find the right tune.

ATR DAN wrote:Can I ask those who are racing in GT (the same category as myself) whether you guys use a lot of downforce or very little for Sebring? I've always sucked around here and have always struggled to find the right tune.

Mid front, low rear.

AAR ABEnstein wrote:Can I submit an entry if I know what class I'm want to be in but I'm undecided on the car?

All American Racers is back for 2014 as well, though Smurfy has parted ways with AAR and is racing for his club.

Also, our "sponsors" will be very sports-oriented. Anyone care to guess?

Yea thats fine just would need confirm by next week

LMR Deftone MX wrote:

ATR DAN wrote:Can I ask those who are racing in GT (the same category as myself) whether you guys use a lot of downforce or very little for Sebring? I've always sucked around here and have always struggled to find the right tune.

Mid front, low rear.

Many thanks dude. I'll give this a try this evening   

I have tried tunes put on storefronts by LMR, F4H, and I have come to wonder how the Hell do the top teams driver their cars so freaking loose. I slide through the corner on entry through the center and then when I go to correct it shoots off the other way that the corner goes even on Normal steering. I hate driving cars like that and I don't see how the top teams do it.

I don't want to sound like a broken record but many MANY laps and hours of breakfast

EDIT: Practice
Stupid auto correct

or just go forza forums and ask there or look for some open source tuning guides

Windcharger, it comes with experience. I couldn't drive the cars before that were super loose, and even now, I struggle with them at times. Try staying on the throttle (just a tiny bit) once you're done braking. That way the rear end stays relatively low. I'm talking like 1-5%.

I say this, but I cannot for the life of me drive any 911 RSR or GT3 Cup  

Porsche's are a whole new world of annoying when they don't work.   

only a select few have really mastered the art of tuning and driving Porsche imo.

Windcharger8199 wrote:I have tried tunes put on storefronts by LMR, F4H, and I have come to wonder how the Hell do the top teams driver their cars so freaking loose.  I slide through the corner on entry through the center and then when I go to correct it shoots off the other way that the corner goes even on Normal steering.  I hate driving cars like that and I don't see how the top teams do it.

Over the course of a 2 hour stint, actually after just a few laps, the initial looseness goes away. However, a car that is neutral to tight just gains more understeer over time. I know that isn't how it works in real life, but that is something I have found with Forza physics... and understeer is much slower than a bit of looseness.

I struggle with GT cars in general, so my findings could be a bit off though.

Well it makes sense, understeer = the front pushes = lots of tire scrub = slow times.

Run 5-7 laps, then the initially oversteering car will feel better and less loose.

Windcharger8199 wrote:I have tried tunes put on storefronts by LMR, F4H, and I have come to wonder how the Hell do the top teams driver their cars so freaking loose.  I slide through the corner on entry through the center and then when I go to correct it shoots off the other way that the corner goes even on Normal steering.  I hate driving cars like that and I don't see how the top teams do it.

The looseness gives you the turn in. If you can turn in quicker you can brake later & get on the power earlier. You just need to be more smooth, if you're gentle on the power coming out of corners until the car is pointing relatively straight you can then get on the power quicker. That's how you get quicker round a lap, less braking more accelerating!

So im just curious. While there be a time change during the course of this race? GMT switches to BST on March 30th

Velox Canadian wrote:So im just curious. While there be a time change during the course of this race? GMT switches to BST on March 30th

Ha ha that would have been interesting if no one spotted that!!

No Issue -

Last stint starts 12 AM GMT -

Sunday, March 30, 2014, 1:00:00 AM clocks are turned forward 1 hour to
Sunday, March 30, 2014, 2:00:00 AM local daylight time instead

Race finishes 2 AM GMT (3AM BST)

Will there be a spotters guide? If not, then will there be one for LeMans?

Just a reminder in case anybody hasn't seen it, I will be hosting a Qualifying tonight for anybody that wants to do it! Just sign in as you would for any qualifying session & I'll make sure you get to run around tonight!

Are you allowed to go solo or do you have to be in a team to compete in this event ?

TEC is a team event, you need 2 drivers min.

no, you can do the whole race yourself if you wish
there is no rules saying there must be a minimum of 2 drivers
from the start (2012) the rules have been you can just enter a car on your own if you wish

This wrong as you cant drive stint 3 and 4. No double stinting 3 and 4. same as years past.

No you cant do the race yourself

It should be written into the rules then. Haven't people attempted it in the past though?

"Teams can consist of up to 4 drivers. Ideally you want the full four to make the 12 hours less challenging on yourselves and your consoles. Teams must drive in the same car throughout the event. If any team members switch into different cars throughout the race then their session will not be counted in the team's overall distance.

This suggests that it is acceptable to run by oneself.