TORA Avon Tyres British GT Championship: General Discussion

OUlton park is the island variation

colonal keidec wrote:OUlton park is the island variation

Cheers for that, what about the other venues?

Mrwaxem wrote:

colonal keidec wrote:OUlton park is the island variation

Cheers for that, what about the other venues?

No, it's the International version.

I've gone on the British GT site and cross referenced their schedule with this one. The TORA list (as long as it follows along exactly) is as follows:

Oulton International
Zolder
Silverstone GP
Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps
Brands Hatch GP
Snetterton 300
Donington GP

Matt or another admin can clarify but that should be correct, considering that this series follows the real one.

F4H Diablo wrote:

Mrwaxem wrote:

colonal keidec wrote:OUlton park is the island variation

Cheers for that, what about the other venues?

No, it's the International version.

I've gone on the British GT site and cross referenced their schedule with this one. The TORA list (as long as it follows along exactly) is as follows:

Oulton International
Zolder
Silverstone GP
Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps
Brands Hatch GP
Snetterton 300
Donington GP

Matt or another admin can clarify but that should be correct, considering that this series follows the real one.

Excellent thanks for that diablo, all i need now is an XBOX ONE (facepalm)

Enjoy some Registration thread spam

TJSteel wrote:

XPR Soundwave wrote:

gregtwo wrote:Are more Bentleys going to be made available even if the same livery will be ran?

Would hope they get the registration issue fixed first, or it may just come to that lol

We can't make more available because we cannot make liveries for the game. If more are released we will add them.
Not up to me if the same livery can be used by multiple people so can't comment on that but as far as I'm aware you can't

And there are no registration issues. Would you like to clarify what they are?
I can only assume that your talking about being denied for the Bentley which I've already advised that this was because CreamyTastey chose the number 8 Bentley before you did (First come first served).
The only info I can go from is the information you entered which was also for the number 8 with your backup choice also being the number 8.

I also haven't missed the other entries but will catch up when I have spare time. Most likely tomorrow now.

gregtwo wrote:Ok well if that is the case then the BAM team that have the Bentley will have absolutely no competition as the Bentley is just as fast on tight tracks and significantly faster on longer tracks like Spa.

The car is so good that I feel that it should either be A: Removed, or B: Multiple entries allowed to open up the competition

XPR Soundwave wrote:

TJSteel wrote:

XPR Soundwave wrote:

gregtwo wrote:Are more Bentleys going to be made available even if the same livery will be ran?

Would hope they get the registration issue fixed first, or it may just come to that lol

We can't make more available because we cannot make liveries for the game. If more are released we will add them.
Not up to me if the same livery can be used by multiple people so can't comment on that but as far as I'm aware you can't

And there are no registration issues. Would you like to clarify what they are?
I can only assume that your talking about being denied for the Bentley which I've already advised that this was because CreamyTastey chose the number 8 Bentley before you did (First come first served).
The only info I can go from is the information you entered which was also for the number 8 with your backup choice also being the number 8.

I also haven't missed the other entries but will catch up when I have spare time. Most likely tomorrow now.

Just as I messaged you, Matt and Deftone. My entry was 08, which can be vouched for by those with me when I posted. There wasn't a special way stated that said I had input it any other way.

I'm not changing cuz I got the car I requested. The really I'll change if RiverMerc did the same thing I did, cuz then he gets the car.

Not our fault if there was a glitch in the system.

TJSteel wrote:there wasn't a glitch
There is no option in the availability list for 08
If you look it is #08 so as you didn't choose #08 you don't get #08

Matt wrote:There's no glitch the #xx has been used to differentiate between the other cars before. Another driver already lost out on the car for entering the wrong number.
If someone enters the correct number in the meantime that's only fair they get the right to use that car.

As for removing the car altogether I feel that would be unfair and TORA reserves the right to request performance changes to the car after evaluation on track.
If it is found that the Bentley is significantly faster than the opposition then we will re-evaluate. Not before.

All further discussion must please be moved to the General discussion thread. This is for registration only.

Thanks

CreamyTastey wrote:All of this because of 1 car. Jesus Christ, Grow up. If you don't like it don't  race!

BAM Python wrote:

gregtwo wrote:Ok well if that is the case then the BAM team that have the Bentley will have absolutely no competition as the Bentley is just as fast on tight tracks and significantly faster on longer tracks like Spa.

The car is so good that I feel that it should either be A: Removed, or B: Multiple entries allowed to open up the competition

. tell me what times ur getting in other cars?

XPR Soundwave wrote:

Matt wrote:There's no glitch the #xx has been used to differentiate between the other cars before. Another driver already lost out on the car for entering the wrong number.
If someone enters the correct number in the meantime that's only fair they get the right to use that car.

As for removing the car altogether I feel that would be unfair and TORA reserves the right to request performance changes to the car after evaluation on track.
If it is found that the Bentley is significantly faster than the opposition then we will re-evaluate. Not before.

All further discussion must please be moved to the General discussion thread. This is for registration only.

Thanks

Before, yes in LT but not before doing registration.

Inputting from phone, there wasn't note saying you have to add the # before said car number or the form will not register.

Therefore the fault isn't mine, and the car I requested Is the one I receive.

TJSteel wrote:

XPR Soundwave wrote:

Matt wrote:There's no glitch the #xx has been used to differentiate between the other cars before. Another driver already lost out on the car for entering the wrong number.
If someone enters the correct number in the meantime that's only fair they get the right to use that car.

As for removing the car altogether I feel that would be unfair and TORA reserves the right to request performance changes to the car after evaluation on track.
If it is found that the Bentley is significantly faster than the opposition then we will re-evaluate. Not before.

All further discussion must please be moved to the General discussion thread. This is for registration only.

Thanks

Before, yes in LT but not before doing registration.

Inputting from phone, there wasn't note saying you have to add the # before said car number or the form will not register.

Therefore the fault isn't mine, and the car I requested Is the one I receive.

Do me a favor and type this into a spreadsheet and tell me what it says

=IF("08" = "#08", "These are the same", "These are not the same")

TJSteel wrote:In fact don't bother, I've done it for you, it says : These are not the same

Therefore if you did actually enter 08 you still wouldn't have gotten the car because it wasn't the same as the number on the availability list

gregtwo wrote:

BAM Python wrote:

gregtwo wrote:Ok well if that is the case then the BAM team that have the Bentley will have absolutely no competition as the Bentley is just as fast on tight tracks and significantly faster on longer tracks like Spa.

The car is so good that I feel that it should either be A: Removed, or B: Multiple entries allowed to open up the competition

. tell me what times ur getting in other cars?

Brands - 1.23.3 - Z4, 1.23.2 - Bentley
Oulton - 1.31.6 - Z4, 1.31.8 - Bentley
Spa - 2.18.1 - Z4, 2.16.8 - Bentley

The times are close on tight circuits but on longer circuits it is significantly better, unlike the R8 and other cars with good top end but mediocre handling this car is an all rounder.

I think its quite poor management for the series if your basing the car limits on how many different numbers they have, the Bentley has like 4 and the Mclaren doesn't have to many either, this makes it unfair and not realistic in a sense. nothings stopping a team in real life because somehow there's no paints left its ridiculous. the numbers don't mean anything on this game as you cant edit them or paint the car itself and therefore there shouldn't be a short car limit just like how it was on Forza. everyone has a right to sign up in any car they want as some people like to drive certain cars and i don't think too many people will pick the Bentley by free choice anyway. on fm4 the vette was pretty much the best car but not everyone chose it because they wanted to pick what they liked the most and it should be the same for this series, to me it feels like a dictatorship more than a community. For the way the game is a reasonable car cap should be set for every car of say 20, yes a lot of fast people will go for the Bentley but it will spread the field out and give those a chance to drive a car they want by choice not by paint, for me i just want to drive the #98 z4 because is the best paint ever, im not fussed about the car or number as its not FM we cant pick any car, slap a paint on it then put our TORA #.

FMS TopSecret wrote:I think its quite poor management for the series if your basing the car limits on how many different numbers they have, the Bentley has like 4 and the Mclaren doesn't have to many either, this makes it unfair and not realistic in a sense. nothings stopping a team in real life because somehow there's no paints left its ridiculous. the numbers don't mean anything on this game as you cant edit them or paint the car itself and therefore there shouldn't be a short car limit just like how it was on Forza. everyone has a right to sign up in any car they want as some people like to drive certain cars and i don't think too many people will pick the Bentley by free choice anyway. on fm4 the vette was pretty much the best car but not everyone chose it because they wanted to pick what they liked the most and it should be the same for this series, to me it feels like a dictatorship more than a community. For the way the game is a reasonable car cap should be set for every car of say 20, yes a lot of fast people will go for the Bentley but it will spread the field out and give those a chance to drive a car they want by choice not by paint, for me i just want to drive the #98 z4 because is the best paint ever, im not fussed about the car or number as its not FM we cant pick any car, slap a paint on it then put our TORA #.

Well said.

**Just to point out to staff and Community Team I am not starting a slanging match or a row or anything, I'm just asking a question**

@Gregtwo Please don't take this the wrong way but when you said you did the times in the Bentley, did you stay within the TORA rules of 2 wheels outside the white line? Or did you run all 4 wheels off at speed?

Like I said please don't take it the wrong way. I just saw your video that's all. Thanks

XPR Soundwave wrote:

FMS TopSecret wrote:I think its quite poor management for the series if your basing the car limits on how many different numbers they have, the Bentley has like 4 and the Mclaren doesn't have to many either, this makes it unfair and not realistic in a sense. nothings stopping a team in real life because somehow there's no paints left its ridiculous. the numbers don't mean anything on this game as you cant edit them or paint the car itself and therefore there shouldn't be a short car limit just like how it was on Forza. everyone has a right to sign up in any car they want as some people like to drive certain cars and i don't think too many people will pick the Bentley by free choice anyway. on fm4 the vette was pretty much the best car but not everyone chose it because they wanted to pick what they liked the most and it should be the same for this series, to me it feels like a dictatorship more than a community. For the way the game is a reasonable car cap should be set for every car of say 20, yes a lot of fast people will go for the Bentley but it will spread the field out and give those a chance to drive a car they want by choice not by paint, for me i just want to drive the #98 z4 because is the best paint ever, im not fussed about the car or number as its not FM we cant pick any car, slap a paint on it then put our TORA #.

Well said.

The rule has been in place since the very start of the championship admission process. No one has made any noises about it until now.
The decision was made to limit teams to one paint per team as it avoids visual confusion on track and in the coverage planned as well. It is not ideal that we don't have a paint editor but that fault doesn't lie with us.
We have made the decision we feel is best for the show and for the fairness of the championship. No one wants 100 Bentleys driving around. We all know that without some form of cap that is what we would have. Car caps have been in TORA racing for years and that should not come as a surprise to any established member who has raced here before. We have also run a First Come First Served basis for cars too. Again, that on occasion results in some people being disappointed which is why we suggest making alternative car choices.
The championship is not about one car and it never will be there plenty of cars to choose from.

As for Soundwave I've told you privately and I'm now telling you publically, butt out and quit picking fights for zero reason

F4H Diablo wrote:

Mrwaxem wrote:

colonal keidec wrote:OUlton park is the island variation

Cheers for that, what about the other venues?

No, it's the International version.

I've gone on the British GT site and cross referenced their schedule with this one. The TORA list (as long as it follows along exactly) is as follows:

Oulton International
Zolder
Silverstone GP
Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps
Brands Hatch GP
Snetterton 300
Donington GP

Matt or another admin can clarify but that should be correct, considering that this series follows the real one.

Yeah that's spot on - apologies for the lack of clarification on that point

Matt, when is the Calander dates going to be finalised pal?

CreamyTastey wrote:**Just to point out to staff and Community Team I am not starting a slanging match or a row or anything, I'm just asking a question**

@Gregtwo Please don't take this the wrong way but when you said you did the times in the Bentley, did you stay within the TORA rules of 2 wheels outside the white line? Or did you run all 4 wheels off at speed?

Like I said please don't take it the wrong way. I just saw your video that's all. Thanks

does it matter if he stays within the two lines on oulton? IRL they use the run-off on turn one and you dont get big benefit from it on the exit of the 2nd chicane and the last turn. and there's not any corners to cut. i dont think ive raced with someone who hasn't tried to not use the run off on turn 1

Matt wrote:

XPR Soundwave wrote:

FMS TopSecret wrote:I think its quite poor management for the series if your basing the car limits on how many different numbers they have, the Bentley has like 4 and the Mclaren doesn't have to many either, this makes it unfair and not realistic in a sense. nothings stopping a team in real life because somehow there's no paints left its ridiculous. the numbers don't mean anything on this game as you cant edit them or paint the car itself and therefore there shouldn't be a short car limit just like how it was on Forza. everyone has a right to sign up in any car they want as some people like to drive certain cars and i don't think too many people will pick the Bentley by free choice anyway. on fm4 the vette was pretty much the best car but not everyone chose it because they wanted to pick what they liked the most and it should be the same for this series, to me it feels like a dictatorship more than a community. For the way the game is a reasonable car cap should be set for every car of say 20, yes a lot of fast people will go for the Bentley but it will spread the field out and give those a chance to drive a car they want by choice not by paint, for me i just want to drive the #98 z4 because is the best paint ever, im not fussed about the car or number as its not FM we cant pick any car, slap a paint on it then put our TORA #.

Well said.

The rule has been in place since the very start of the championship admission process. No one has made any noises about it until now.
The decision was made to limit teams to one paint per team as it avoids visual confusion on track and in the coverage planned as well. It is not ideal that we don't have a paint editor but that fault doesn't lie with us.
We have made the decision we feel is best for the show and for the fairness of the championship. No one wants 100 Bentleys driving around. We all know that without some form of cap that is what we would have. Car caps have been in TORA racing for years and that should not come as a surprise to any established member who has raced here before. We have also run a First Come First Served basis for cars too. Again, that on occasion results in some people being disappointed which is why we suggest making alternative car choices.
The championship is not about one car and it never will be there plenty of cars to choose from.

As for Soundwave I've told you privately and I'm now telling you publically, butt out and quit picking fights for zero reason

No Matt this was something brought up early on but was shuffled or buried. Again for the show, you clearly don't care about the ones involved but what makes you and anything with your name on it look good.

But let me check my Messaged again and wait for this message to arrive.

No the car limits using an issue now, it was an issue all along but was chosen to ignore because yes, there is an ample selection of many other cars to choose.

But my quarrel isn't so much there as there is with the registration issue, that I can make easy for you to ignore once again.

Well least we will see more different cars in this event than we did in the VAG no one wanted to be different in there they all played follow the( cheater lol)ohh i mean leader the only ones to be different was benedict racing going in the seat even after I proved the scirocco was way faster than the other cars you could pick..but hey looks like bgt is going to be interesting.

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Matt wrote:

XPR Soundwave wrote:

FMS TopSecret wrote:I think its quite poor management for the series if your basing the car limits on how many different numbers they have, the Bentley has like 4 and the Mclaren doesn't have to many either, this makes it unfair and not realistic in a sense. nothings stopping a team in real life because somehow there's no paints left its ridiculous. the numbers don't mean anything on this game as you cant edit them or paint the car itself and therefore there shouldn't be a short car limit just like how it was on Forza. everyone has a right to sign up in any car they want as some people like to drive certain cars and i don't think too many people will pick the Bentley by free choice anyway. on fm4 the vette was pretty much the best car but not everyone chose it because they wanted to pick what they liked the most and it should be the same for this series, to me it feels like a dictatorship more than a community. For the way the game is a reasonable car cap should be set for every car of say 20, yes a lot of fast people will go for the Bentley but it will spread the field out and give those a chance to drive a car they want by choice not by paint, for me i just want to drive the #98 z4 because is the best paint ever, im not fussed about the car or number as its not FM we cant pick any car, slap a paint on it then put our TORA #.

Well said.

The rule has been in place since the very start of the championship admission process. No one has made any noises about it until now.
The decision was made to limit teams to one paint per team as it avoids visual confusion on track and in the coverage planned as well. It is not ideal that we don't have a paint editor but that fault doesn't lie with us.
We have made the decision we feel is best for the show and for the fairness of the championship. No one wants 100 Bentleys driving around. We all know that without some form of cap that is what we would have. Car caps have been in TORA racing for years and that should not come as a surprise to any established member who has raced here before. We have also run a First Come First Served basis for cars too. Again, that on occasion results in some people being disappointed which is why we suggest making alternative car choices.
The championship is not about one car and it never will be there plenty of cars to choose from.

As for Soundwave I've told you privately and I'm now telling you publically, butt out and quit picking fights for zero reason

Thats why i said a car cap of like 20, not sure where you got 100 bentleys from. also before deciding the rules before the series was announced why not become what P C.A.R.S is but a Community Assisted Racing Series. i might be the only one complaining about this because those other people believe no matter what they say things won't change whether they are right or wrong, making it feel more like a dictatorship. you can do something about there only being 4 bentleys or a few mclarens by allowing more and scrapping what the game tells you of 4 numbers. most people would agree there should be a more balanced field of cars and there should be and you shouldn't let the game stop you from doing that. nothing stopped people from picking cars on Forza whether it was a FM4 viper which sucked on 90%of the tracks or a Vette with its speed. Im only saying this because it gives people like Greg and Soundwave a chance to drive a car they enjoy whether they are fast or slow in it, the bentley isn't dominant but its really fast and limiting it to 4 when 1 of those cars has the top contenders in it is out of this world for competitiveness. If people didnt race on this series it wouldnt exist so at least give the people something back by letting them drive what they want and not what the game forces which makes its dumber by you only allowing what the game is forcing which can be changed.

I to tried the Bentley and I'm not fast in no way but in it I knocked nearly a whole second off from my best lap with the bmw it is a far superior car I think its only fair that the Bentley gets removed from the series or the number cap gets lifted on the Bentley its not like we will all be in the same lobby is it.

Shut up, deal with it!

Did the Corvette from FM4 get removed when everyone moaned about it.... No! It didn't.... So shut the fudge up... Deal with it...

IF YOU DONT LIKE THE FACT THAT THE BENTLEY IS 'OP' THEN DONT RACE... ITS A SIMPLE AS THAT!

Its not Op. I am finding the same lap time in the Bentley as the BMW. Its because your better in one car compared to the other. Okay. If your going to want to remove the Bentley. I dare you to tell the FIA to ban all cars with Mercedes Engines. No you wont. Just shut up and bloody race.

I'm not worried about it. I think we have something for that Bentley

+ TORA NEED the Bentley in the championship because then its not British GT. Bentley is the addition that it needs. If you cant drive the car that your in deal with your car. Not others cars

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You make me laugh Greg! is that all you got... Come on mate you can do so much better than that... That's a pathetic attepmt at having a go at some one... Come on do it properly

The only concerns I have Greg is the fact that people are arguing about a car. It's not the Bentley's fault for being so good in GT3 spec. Instead of complaining go and test with your car so that you can beat the Bentley.

Oh and by the way t does conflict with my interestes beciase Ax4x witch I'm a proud memenber of has actual real life sponsor ship from Marranello Motorsport and they have a Bentley Contental GT3....

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