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Post by thecreator224 Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 15:25

AdamWatson99 wrote:It's not our fault (HCR & Ax4x) have so many teams as the Ax4x and some HCR cars have been there since Daytona if you want to be like that. The only one that's an additional for Ax4x is the LMP car. Half of the HCR cars were at Daytona. I ain't getting into an argument about it but if teams like Ax4x and HCR are carrying over there entries from Daytona you have no reason to complain.
People complain that not having more entries will make people turn away. So does all the arguing that goes on, the slating about teams makes people fed up.

I understand your point, but as I said on the main post, I understand that there are more people in HCR and Ax4x, with the larger teams having more drivers to fill the demand for, and I understand change is unlikely to happen for the remainder of the MSA endurance events, but I hope to bring forwards the point that there are more people with more teams than Ax4x HCR, LMR etc. who would like to have the chance to enter and compete.
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Post by Ax4x Chaddy Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 15:28

Teams from Daytona were given 1st chance to come back for Sebring

some 8-11 (not sure of the actual number) chose not to do come back creating space for new entries.

Those new entries were allowed to enter at a certain time, with a 1st come 1st served chance of making the max of 40 entries overall.

Teams are allowed to be made of 2-5 drivers so if a team wishes to run 2 drivers they have every right to do so.

Please stop blaming the 'big' teams, they have done nothing wrong, what happened is alot of teams tired to get into only 8-11 spaces and sadly not everyone got in.

TORA is very flattered and proud that so many drivers/teams wish to race here and in this championship.

Moving to 3 lobbies is a very big ask and after issues at Daytona we have chosen to stay with 2 lobbies for Sebring.

For the future who knows, but for now its 2.
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Post by Kegerton86 Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 15:31

3 lobbies would be very easy to do actually many other leagues run this perfectly and efficiently without the personnel structure TORA has

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Post by thecreator224 Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 15:34

FranchittiFan wrote:Teams from Daytona were given 1st chance to come back for Sebring

some 8-11 (not sure of the actual number) chose not to do come back creating space for new entries.

Those new entries were allowed to enter at a certain time, with a 1st come 1st served chance of making the max of 40 entries overall.

Teams are allowed to be made of 2-5 drivers so if a team wishes to run 2 drivers they have every right to do so.

Please stop blaming the 'big' teams, they have done nothing wrong, what happened is alot of teams tired to get into only 8-11 spaces and sadly not everyone got in.

TORA is very flattered and proud that so many drivers/teams wish to race here and in this championship.

Moving to 3 lobbies is a very big ask and after issues at Daytona we have chosen to stay with 2 lobbies for Sebring.

For the future who knows, but for now its 2.

Understandable. Would there be a possibility to allow for drivers to request entry via a drive in an open slot in a current team? It should allow the interested drivers to get a seat under the guise of another team, if their own has little to no chance of competing in the event. Is this a matter to be discussed between the team and driver exclusively or should there be an altercation with a TORA Official to ensure the change-over happens smoothly?
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Post by thecreator224 Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 15:35

Kegerton86 wrote:3 lobbies would be very easy to do actually many other leagues run this perfectly and efficiently without the personnel structure TORA has


I think the official nature of this event means that any events must be taken with absolute care, with no setbacks from marshals or any other staff in the forums. Therefore it is undoubtedly more complicated than just allocating staff to open a lobby at X time.
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Post by SVR Solar Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 15:42

Kegerton, like i said in a previous post, People moan about how slow the Live Timing was done on Daytona, Yes People moan about Live Timing after every stint, cause they wanna know how much they have 2 push to beat there opposition/Rivals, with how many people TORA currently have on the Docs that can fill them out correctly, is a Big ask tbh, as most of them race them selves and have to get LMP's Distance and GT's Distance Get LagOuts and so on and so forth alot of factors come into play with 3 Lobbies and they struggled enough with 2, 3 would be asking for alot more flaming and bashing in my opinion.

but back at hand, with the Teams Merging, this would not happen as most Teams/People know, people are not all around the same pace, and some are more Competitive then others, and HCR has been a competitive team on TORA before i even joined, so its all about finding the same Mentality/Pace btw the drivers in the team so we can atleast be competitive and not just slam a team together so others can join, its nothing against the smaller teams its just we want to be competitive Smile

anyways thats my 2p
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Post by Kegerton86 Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 15:51

I agree with your sentiment of it takes organising and planning but hasn't TORA been running for a long time now so I would have thought that with the status and recognition it has accrued I would have thought that the organisers would have planned for this but I understand it does take time for the relevant infrastructure to be put in place. So maybe during this TEC season there could be some discussions on how to implement changes or even take this time to find out an amicable solution so next season we could have more teams maybe having a pro season and an amateur season then we could have a relegation and promotion system and even wildcards for each TEC race? That's just one possible idea? I'm just trying to find a way to make everyone happy. I agree with what your saying Solar and I'm willing to give my time to help if needs be to help in the organisation of events to make sure everyone is happy. I myself don't know how TORA works in the sense of live timing and everything so I cant comment on that with an accurate degree of understanding so if my comments on how it works are wrong then I apologise I just thought it was down to a lack of staff running things if so I'm sure alot of people would be more than willing to help Smile

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Post by TLR Scrublord Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 17:30

What a [Censored] show. lol!
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Post by PTG Chungus Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 17:47

Sod it i had my rant Nothing can be done

Anyone want some Popcorn??

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Post by PTG Chungus Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 17:53

Rubber Trail wrote:
Sub Zero Nova 2 wrote:
Rubber Trail wrote:Let me get this straight, teams like the one I drive for ( FailRace Motorsport ) and others might not drive ( meaning all the time invested in preparing would be lost ) simply because we signed up, at the time allowed, nd then suddenly you guys change something for the sign-ups, while we signed up perfectly fine. Therefor we get pushed down to reserves, and have the chance of not racing since we cant be online all day to see those changes, or because you guys dont want a third lobby. I mean, the teams do an awful lot of preparing for this ( atleast the new ones probably do like us ) and then dont get to race because of something like that. I dont call that fair.

Matey its life
its still more organised than FR
best bet is practice for Monza and hope you get back in
gives you plenty of time to prepare and get some off those........drivers.....registered
First of, we are not mates. And secondly, you call changing things when it should have been done organised? I dont. And running 6 HCR teams. The smaller teams just dont get a chance

Ok lets put this into perspective
A man is working flat out to keep the docs going and results are out the next day... Yes HCR have 6 Teams, Nothing to be done there they got in first Whoopy do When i was with them they where even faster at [Censored] registering with just 10 members...theres 50 of the goddam lot!!!! Exactly the same as my real Work, field 9 VW trophy cars....we make up most of the grid.....


Now lets all chill For the moment....
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Post by PTG Chungus Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 17:54

HCR MeRiCA wrote:I'll sell my spot to highest  bidder

Happy  bidding  bishes

Packet of hob nobs and whatevers down the back of the sofa Ok
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Post by Matt Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 18:07

thecreator224 wrote:
FranchittiFan wrote:Teams from Daytona were given 1st chance to come back for Sebring

some 8-11 (not sure of the actual number) chose not to do come back creating space for new entries.

Those new entries were allowed to enter at a certain time, with a 1st come 1st served chance of making the max of 40 entries overall.

Teams are allowed to be made of 2-5 drivers so if a team wishes to run 2 drivers they have every right to do so.

Please stop blaming the 'big' teams, they have done nothing wrong, what happened is alot of teams tired to get into only 8-11 spaces and sadly not everyone got in.

TORA is very flattered and proud that so many drivers/teams wish to race here and in this championship.

Moving to 3 lobbies is a very big ask and after issues at Daytona we have chosen to stay with 2 lobbies for Sebring.

For the future who knows, but for now its 2.

Understandable. Would there be a possibility to allow for drivers to request entry via a drive in an open slot in a current team? It should allow the interested drivers to get a seat under the guise of another team, if their own has little to no chance of competing in the event. Is this a matter to be discussed between the team and driver exclusively or should there be an altercation with a TORA Official to ensure the change-over happens smoothly?

If new drivers are seeking seats in pre-existing teams that's absolutely encouraged. Particularly if 'manpower' is short to run a team themselves or as is the case in some situations here the slots already went.
It's been a while since we've run a limited championship (outside of British GT) but it's not unusual within sim racing of course.
From an administrative POV, there is a significant amount of work behind the scenes that I don't think many appreciate. It's almost no different to demanding changes to a game from your favourite developer that just aren't as simple as 'putting it in'.
We have a situation here whereby people who complain or offer their suggestions (constructive or otherwise) aren't actually overly keen on doing the work when they're asked to. Then we reach the Catch 22 situaton of having other people complain because those we relied on failed to perform the role they were entrusted with.
As regards the 1st come first serve basis of the remaining slots, eveybod has a fair chance of getting those slots. If they miss, they miss. We would of course give those dedicated reserve teams first refusal on free slots at the following race. In this case, Monza.

A lot of pressure is being applied to TORA's staff at the moment, I believe unfairly by a small minority who either a) don't understand the racing ethos here b) don't understand/appreciate the amount of effort the staff take in setting these events up (remembering there's more than one series going on) or c) just can't accept that not everything is given to them on a plate and that life is in fact unfair.

We do out utmost to keep everyone happy, and for the vast majority that is the case. If it weren't TORA would have dired long ago. 8 years on and we're still providing excellent series with good sized grids. If people are nto happy with what is on offer here, there are alternatives elsewhere. That's called consumer choice. It's not a threat to be waved at the staff when people don't get what they want. Remember these staff are volunteers, they do this for fun as much as the competitiors who turn up just to race. They receive no payment and often the only praise is from the other staff members. I think in this modern age of instant gratification people forget that actually sometimes you're not entitled to everything at whatever cost,
The staff here do a bloody amazing job for little to no thanks. I do hope that the individuals who complain and incite the same old bilious, hate filled commentary on these community forums can look at themselves and realise what purile nonsense they are spouting.

We are here to have fun, enjoy the sport we love and share our appreciation of all things with wheels. That is the crux of it. I'm not interested in anything else. When it becomes 'not fun anymore' I will simply stop. As I would expect any of my staff. Believe me, thansk to few here on these community forums, there are those who give their time freely for your enjoyment who are gettign incredibly close to that sad point.
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Post by Kegerton86 Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 18:16

Wow Matt just wow .....

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Post by Matt Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 18:19

Oh and no, the TORA staff don't need to know if new drivers are planning on joining existing teams.
As long as they are included in a teams submission or amended entry that is more than sufficient.
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Post by SVR Solar Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 18:20

What matt has said is 1 of the reason why i am no longer doing Live Comms for TORA, as i did 12 hours off it at Daytona and the only Appreciation i got was from my own Team F4H and a few Staff, everyone else thought it was my Job to do it, nah i did it and sacrificed my Sleeping Time for my next stint and ended up staying awake for 30 hours, i even had a few people moaning at me that i didnt live comm the last 2 stints, Well im Sorry i been up for 30+ Hours racing and doing live comms, dont like it tough titties Smile but yeah ill do my own lil Onboard for my Teams support and anyone else thats wants to support me through my endeavors of Sebring Smile

good night im off to play some RPG's Smile
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Post by PTG Chungus Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 18:22

Kris Knock it off

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Post by Kegerton86 Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 18:23

Why I was saying wow to matt because someone is actually explaining things without attacking anyone its refreshing and good Smile

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Post by PTG Chungus Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 18:24

Staff spend a lot of time, Sam i didnt watch as i was kinda sleeping but i heard you where good at it

What has happend has happend people

Count it as a blessing that TORA is still here ....and people i deispise are not racing me..
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Post by PTG Chungus Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 18:24

My bad kris
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Have some Pop corn
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Post by SGR Amber Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 18:27

We are an online racing community, yet we are more sporting politics than the sport itself.

We are recognised by the MSA, yet cannot discuss an issue with a similar level of formality.

We welcome all people and encourage them to join, yet drive them away with our own arrogance.

This is not how we should be acting as an open community. All of us have been responsible for this at some point during our time here.

If you want to start an argument with someone, take it to them, not the forum pages. If you want an open, formal discussion, you may speak your word here.

We joined because we wanted a racing community that supported everyone. Let's keep it that way.

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Post by Kegerton86 Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 18:28

Lol its cool I've had my say earlier and that's it I just want us to get on and race and Solar we do appreciate you I am here racing on TORA thanks to your twitch feed I found and other TORA clips on youtube so don't give up mate I'm sorry if I offended anyone earlier and hope to race you all at sebring and other races .... Peace out

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Post by SVR Solar Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 18:28

i wasnt attacking anyone, i was explaining the stuff i know, if people see that as an attack from me, Ask Nova if u see that as an attack that is very Lenient haha Razz

Nova a few people have said they would like me to carry it on, ive upgraded mysetup also so the keyboard is a bit more lenient on the Microphone, but after things ive heard and seen i will not do Live Comms, people see it as "He should be doing" No im not even on TORA Media Team, and yet i took my time to do this for the people, as Stan was having Issues, Brad had Issues and so Did Zeta, and i think mine was the only 1 that actually didnt Rip halfway through, it took alot out of me tbh, and i was looking forward to doing it again, but meh, alls i see on here is people moaning and complaining about 1 thing or another. either it be the Registration, The Live Timing or the fact there was no Live Comms for a certain stint they mite of wanted to see, if i wasnt racing in the HCR Team that was fighting to keep 3rd spot, id quite happily do the Live Comms all way through, but i cant unfortunatly so ill do my onBoards Smile
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Post by PTG Chungus Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 18:30

HCR Solar wrote:i wasnt attacking anyone, i was explaining the stuff i know, if people see that as an attack from me, Ask Nova if u see that as an attack that is very Lenient haha Razz

Nova a few people have said they would like me to carry it on, ive upgraded mysetup also so the keyboard is a bit more lenient on the Microphone, but after things ive heard and seen i will not do Live Comms, people see it as "He should be doing" No im not even on TORA Media Team, and yet i took my time to do this for the people, as Stan was having Issues, Brad had Issues and so Did Zeta, and i think mine was the only 1 that actually didnt Rip halfway through, it took alot out of me tbh, and i was looking forward to doing it again, but meh, alls i see on here is people moaning and complaining about 1 thing or another. either it be the Registration, The Live Timing or the fact there was no Live Comms for a certain stint they mite of wanted to see, if i wasnt racing in the HCR Team that was fighting to keep 3rd spot, id quite happily do the Live Comms all way through, but i cant unfortunatly so ill do my onBoards Smile


well if you like it never give up Fella
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Post by SVR Solar Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 18:30

Kegerton86 wrote:Lol its cool I've had my say earlier and that's it I just want us to get on and race and Solar we do appreciate you I am here racing on TORA thanks to your twitch feed I found and other TORA clips on youtube so don't give up mate I'm sorry if I offended anyone earlier and hope to race you all at sebring and other races .... Peace out

i do my own Streams now Onboards and my RPG's, like i say if TORA are struggling and i aint racing a stint, and i dont have anything to do in that time period i may jump in to help, but as it stands i dont know how there Media Team is doing for the Live Comms, they know they can Message me on Facebook and get me that way,

im glad you found TORA via my Stream, it shows that you dont just find it via the TORA Twitch, you find it from us individuals that actually try to Promote this Site and other things
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Post by Kegerton86 Sun 14 Feb 2016 - 18:32

I know this is off topic but what rpg's so you play and stream mate?

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