TORA TCF TASCAR Season 7 - Daytona Duel Format Change

To all TASCAR competitors.

After much testing, myself and a number of other TORA staff members and marshals have been forced to make a change to the format of this Sunday's Duel at Daytona.

The plan had been to replicate real NASCAR Daytona 500 qualifying by running two duel races to determine the grid. However, as Lobby Chat is still highly unstable in Forza Motorsport 7 (and many other Xbox titles), each lobby could only contain a maximum of sixteen competitors. This limit, compounded with the high number of racers currently signed in to race, would mean that after having the field to produce each duel group, the duel groups would then need to be halved again.

This would be a very unfortunate scenario. The purpose of the duels is to allow those who weren't able to qualify well in the single-car runs a chance to get further up the order by racing well in the duels. This would not be able to happen, as drivers in the lower tiers of the duel races would have no chance to advance their position any higher than P1 in their lobby.

As a result of all of these complications, the format has been changed to the following:

On Sunday February 4th and 9PM UK (4PM Eastern), there will be a half hour timed qualifying session. Collisions will be off and you will have this time to put down as quick of a lap as you can. This will determine everybody's grid spots. Drivers unable to make the qualifying session on Sunday will, as previously was the plan, be able to join the back of the field for the race on the following Saturday.

Once again, I apologise for the change of plan. In an ideal world I would love to be able to use the duel format for the season opener as it is a unique and interesting format that is only found in stock car racing. TORA always tries to be "As Real as it Gets" but we can only operate to this standard when given the means to do so.

One light side is that the event will be done in plenty of time for any Superbowl Fans to prepare for kick-off. So there's a silver lining at least.

I hope you all understand why this decision had to be made and that you are still looking forward to what promises to be one of the most unpredictable and close races of TORA's schedule.

Please feel free to ask any questions below!

Thanks again,

JGROVES1996

Leave collisions on, that's my vote 😁

Shame there’s no vote then isn’t it, lol

This is disappointing, but understandable.

Can't wait for P42 to be 0..09 off of pole

See everyone on controller in C Lobby with me!

I ran a 44.279.

TLR Law wrote:See everyone on controller in C Lobby with me!

Yeah, kind of puts us 2 races in the hole (Daytona Day and Daytona Night midseason), doesn't it?

Hailfire97x wrote:

TLR Law wrote:See everyone on controller in C Lobby with me!

Yeah, kind of puts us 2 races in the hole (Daytona Day and Daytona Night midseason), doesn't it?

So would you prefer Daytona to not be on a NASCAR series calendar at all? Take it down to only two oval tracks? Or would you prefer us to ban wheels?

JGROVES1996 wrote:

Hailfire97x wrote:

TLR Law wrote:See everyone on controller in C Lobby with me!

Yeah, kind of puts us 2 races in the hole (Daytona Day and Daytona Night midseason), doesn't it?

So would you prefer Daytona to not be on a NASCAR series calendar at all? Take it down to only two oval tracks? Or would you prefer us to ban wheels?

They have a point to a certain extent. With allowing wheels it becomes shifted towards who has money vs who can't afford one. I have a wheel but will not be using it out of fairness to others. Could really mess up some championship hopes though... No reason for Daytona to be removed. It isn't NASCAR (or TASCAR) without Daytona.

So if I ban wheels then the wheel guys most likely leave OR I don't and then continue to get so many controller people moan

Oh how I love running this series!

VSR Genesis wrote:

JGROVES1996 wrote:

Hailfire97x wrote:

TLR Law wrote:See everyone on controller in C Lobby with me!

Yeah, kind of puts us 2 races in the hole (Daytona Day and Daytona Night midseason), doesn't it?

So would you prefer Daytona to not be on a NASCAR series calendar at all? Take it down to only two oval tracks? Or would you prefer us to ban wheels?

They have a point to a certain extent. With allowing wheels it becomes shifted towards who has money vs who can't afford one. I have a wheel but will not be using it out of fairness to others. Could really mess up some championship hopes though... No reason for Daytona to be removed. It isn't NASCAR (or TASCAR) without Daytona.

1. How would they enforce banning wheels.
2. A wheel doesn't give that much of an advantage. I was 5th in my quali lobby 0.07 of the fastest time and i'm on a controller. I don't think there's that much of a difference, you just have to be smooth

Some of us just don't want to drop 400-500 on a wheel anymore.  I used to have one... was 2 seconds faster on road courses.  Welllll I know that I will run the back lobbies as long as I am back.  I am straight controller and YES there is a difference on an oval.  It is harder to hold a consistent line low on the controller.  The back lobbies are more fun anyway! LMAO

xICEMANx41 wrote:Some of us just don't want to drop 400-500 on a wheel anymore.  I used to have one... was 2 seconds faster on road courses.  Welllll I know that I will run the back lobbies as long as I am back.  I am straight controller and YES there is a difference on an oval.  It is harder to hold a consistent line low on the controller.  The back lobbies are more fun anyway! LMAO

No one is saying the wheel isn't faster, it sure as hell is!

I completely get your frustrations! For years I was a pad user as I couldn't afford to buy one. I know that many people won't be fortunate enough to be able to get one, but hopefully you understand that it's not an easily fixable issue for myself and many other league hosts.

Stick at it bud! Road courses are coming and it's much more balanced!

JGROVES1996 wrote:

xICEMANx41 wrote:Some of us just don't want to drop 400-500 on a wheel anymore.  I used to have one... was 2 seconds faster on road courses.  Welllll I know that I will run the back lobbies as long as I am back.  I am straight controller and YES there is a difference on an oval.  It is harder to hold a consistent line low on the controller.  The back lobbies are more fun anyway! LMAO

No one is saying the wheel isn't faster, it sure as hell is!

I completely get your frustrations! For years I was a pad user as I couldn't afford to buy one. I know that many people won't be fortunate enough to be able to get one, but hopefully you understand that it's not an easily fixable issue for myself and many other league hosts.

Stick at it bud! Road courses are coming and it's much more balanced!

I was just responding to the threads above.  But since you just said it... What you are saying is that unless you own a wheel and want to drop some money, you have no chance of winning this race in this series...  So therefore, the concept can be challenged as flawed as they did above.  What they are saying is that the only chance a pad user has is the road courses, yet some of the biggest, best races are at the ovals.  I will be in the back lobbies because I am slow (lol) and just getting back into this game.  I am spending more time making vinyls and painting to look good while chilling in the back than practicing.  Slow and pretty, but I can draft like a son of a biatch, so I don't foresee me staying in the back of my lobby unless I tag a wall.

xICEMANx41 wrote:

JGROVES1996 wrote:

xICEMANx41 wrote:Some of us just don't want to drop 400-500 on a wheel anymore.  I used to have one... was 2 seconds faster on road courses.  Welllll I know that I will run the back lobbies as long as I am back.  I am straight controller and YES there is a difference on an oval.  It is harder to hold a consistent line low on the controller.  The back lobbies are more fun anyway! LMAO

No one is saying the wheel isn't faster, it sure as hell is!

I completely get your frustrations! For years I was a pad user as I couldn't afford to buy one. I know that many people won't be fortunate enough to be able to get one, but hopefully you understand that it's not an easily fixable issue for myself and many other league hosts.

Stick at it bud! Road courses are coming and it's much more balanced!

I was just responding to the threads above.  But since you just said it... What you are saying is that unless you own a wheel and want to drop some money, you have no chance of winning this race in this series...  So therefore, the concept can be challenged as flawed as they did above.  What they are saying is that the only chance a pad user has is the road courses, yet some of the biggest, best races are at the ovals.  I will be in the back lobbies because I am slow (lol) and just getting back into this game.  I am spending more time making vinyls and painting to look good while chilling in the back than practicing.  Slow and pretty, but I can draft like a son of a biatch, so I don't foresee me staying in the back of my lobby unless I tag a wall.

Okay then let me rephrase seeing as though every word I say will be analysed beyond recognition. The wheel only provides a significant advantage during QUALIFYING at DAYTONA. You can easily compete with wheel users during the RACE at Daytona and at both qualifying and the races for Indianapolis and Homestead.

QUESTION FOR ABOVE ^^^^ In this style of lobbies, we cant control the number of cautions. SO can a pad driver in the lowest lobby, with minimal cautions, overtake the drivers in the top two lobbies based on their race. OR are they limited on how far up the results they can move up. I am curious to whether or not we have a real chance of winning this event or are we limited to a certain tier? In that case, wheel drivers will win Daytona, because they can out qualify pads. Just curious about realistic positions after the race... Its a loooong race (which I don't mind, I like long races) if all you can do is advance to like 20th.

JGROVES1996 wrote:

xICEMANx41 wrote:

JGROVES1996 wrote:

xICEMANx41 wrote:Some of us just don't want to drop 400-500 on a wheel anymore.  I used to have one... was 2 seconds faster on road courses.  Welllll I know that I will run the back lobbies as long as I am back.  I am straight controller and YES there is a difference on an oval.  It is harder to hold a consistent line low on the controller.  The back lobbies are more fun anyway! LMAO

No one is saying the wheel isn't faster, it sure as hell is!

I completely get your frustrations! For years I was a pad user as I couldn't afford to buy one. I know that many people won't be fortunate enough to be able to get one, but hopefully you understand that it's not an easily fixable issue for myself and many other league hosts.

Stick at it bud! Road courses are coming and it's much more balanced!

I was just responding to the threads above.  But since you just said it... What you are saying is that unless you own a wheel and want to drop some money, you have no chance of winning this race in this series...  So therefore, the concept can be challenged as flawed as they did above.  What they are saying is that the only chance a pad user has is the road courses, yet some of the biggest, best races are at the ovals.  I will be in the back lobbies because I am slow (lol) and just getting back into this game.  I am spending more time making vinyls and painting to look good while chilling in the back than practicing.  Slow and pretty, but I can draft like a son of a biatch, so I don't foresee me staying in the back of my lobby unless I tag a wall.

Okay then let me rephrase seeing as though every word I say will be analysed beyond recognition. The wheel only provides a significant advantage during QUALIFYING at DAYTONA. You can easily compete with wheel users during the RACE at Daytona and at both qualifying and the races for Indianapolis and Homestead.

Don't get mad if we ask questions. I have run a number of series and questions are going to come up. Its the nature of the beast. I'm not a kid, so I like to know what I am getting myself into for 2-3 hours in a race. I wasn't being an ass, but you are responding like I kicked your dog or you are offended that this question could be raised... In my qualifying lobby, I could clearly tell who had a wheel and who was on a pad. You could see it in the lines, twitchiness, etc. I just want to know my realistic expectations for finishing position. Can a winner come from a lower lobby or is it limited to A-B... A... A-B-C.... Then qualifying DOES matter and it IS a major disadvantage for the overall points standings. Do you see what I am saying? AGAIN - I expect to be in the back, but there are some pretty good pad guys that are getting outqualified for nothing more than someone spent more money than them.

JGROVES1996 wrote:

xICEMANx41 wrote:Some of us just don't want to drop 400-500 on a wheel anymore.  I used to have one... was 2 seconds faster on road courses.  Welllll I know that I will run the back lobbies as long as I am back.  I am straight controller and YES there is a difference on an oval.  It is harder to hold a consistent line low on the controller.  The back lobbies are more fun anyway! LMAO

No one is saying the wheel isn't faster, it sure as hell is!

I completely get your frustrations! For years I was a pad user as I couldn't afford to buy one. I know that many people won't be fortunate enough to be able to get one, but hopefully you understand that it's not an easily fixable issue for myself and many other league hosts.

Stick at it bud! Road courses are coming and it's much more balanced!

well there is an easy fix... force normal steering .... but i guess your biased "cant have race brakes" but you can buy a distinct advantage

ROSCOEpCOTRAIN wrote:

JGROVES1996 wrote:

xICEMANx41 wrote:Some of us just don't want to drop 400-500 on a wheel anymore.  I used to have one... was 2 seconds faster on road courses.  Welllll I know that I will run the back lobbies as long as I am back.  I am straight controller and YES there is a difference on an oval.  It is harder to hold a consistent line low on the controller.  The back lobbies are more fun anyway! LMAO

No one is saying the wheel isn't faster, it sure as hell is!

I completely get your frustrations! For years I was a pad user as I couldn't afford to buy one. I know that many people won't be fortunate enough to be able to get one, but hopefully you understand that it's not an easily fixable issue for myself and many other league hosts.

Stick at it bud! Road courses are coming and it's much more balanced!

well there is an easy fix... force normal steering .... but i guess your biased  "cant have race brakes" but you can buy a distinct advantage

I'm sorry buddy but you are straight talking out of your ass now Just don't race I don't even care anymore

xICEMANx41 wrote:

JGROVES1996 wrote:

xICEMANx41 wrote:

JGROVES1996 wrote:

xICEMANx41 wrote:Some of us just don't want to drop 400-500 on a wheel anymore.  I used to have one... was 2 seconds faster on road courses.  Welllll I know that I will run the back lobbies as long as I am back.  I am straight controller and YES there is a difference on an oval.  It is harder to hold a consistent line low on the controller.  The back lobbies are more fun anyway! LMAO

No one is saying the wheel isn't faster, it sure as hell is!

I completely get your frustrations! For years I was a pad user as I couldn't afford to buy one. I know that many people won't be fortunate enough to be able to get one, but hopefully you understand that it's not an easily fixable issue for myself and many other league hosts.

Stick at it bud! Road courses are coming and it's much more balanced!

I was just responding to the threads above.  But since you just said it... What you are saying is that unless you own a wheel and want to drop some money, you have no chance of winning this race in this series...  So therefore, the concept can be challenged as flawed as they did above.  What they are saying is that the only chance a pad user has is the road courses, yet some of the biggest, best races are at the ovals.  I will be in the back lobbies because I am slow (lol) and just getting back into this game.  I am spending more time making vinyls and painting to look good while chilling in the back than practicing.  Slow and pretty, but I can draft like a son of a biatch, so I don't foresee me staying in the back of my lobby unless I tag a wall.

Okay then let me rephrase seeing as though every word I say will be analysed beyond recognition. The wheel only provides a significant advantage during QUALIFYING at DAYTONA. You can easily compete with wheel users during the RACE at Daytona and at both qualifying and the races for Indianapolis and Homestead.

Don't get mad if we ask questions.  I have run a number of series and questions are going to come up.  Its the nature of the beast.  I'm not a kid, so I like to know what I am getting myself into for 2-3 hours in a race.  I wasn't being an ass, but you are responding like I kicked your dog or you are offended that this question could be raised...  In my qualifying lobby, I could clearly tell who had a wheel and who was on a pad.  You could see it in the lines, twitchiness, etc.  I just want to know my realistic expectations for finishing position.  Can a winner come from a lower lobby or is it limited to A-B... A... A-B-C.... Then qualifying DOES matter and it IS a major disadvantage for the overall points standings.  Do you see what I am saying?  AGAIN - I expect to be in the back, but there are some pretty good pad guys that are getting outqualified for nothing more than someone spent more money than them.

I got no problem with questions! At least you aren't being an ass like other people! lol

As for advancing positions outside of your lobby, if people in higher lobbies lag out or quit, those who complete the full distance will be ranked above those non-finishers