Regulation Clarification
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Regulation Clarification
Regulations have now been published.
N.B. this thread is for clarification, i.e. post here if you do not understand an article, not if you don't like an article.
N.B. this thread is for clarification, i.e. post here if you do not understand an article, not if you don't like an article.
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Re: Regulation Clarification
Yeah I have two questions. First of all does clean laps and dirty laps (penalty) count when in qualifying?
and the second one is. . . is there going to be any window banners/ number boxes in the SGT?
and the second one is. . . is there going to be any window banners/ number boxes in the SGT?
CaptainHandbag- Number of posts : 49
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Re: Regulation Clarification
1. They take your best displayed laps, clean or dirty. E.G. if you set a dirty lap, but then set a slower clean lap, and the clean lap as shown as your best, they take that. . as for the number box/window strip, they should come out with some which would be distributed over the s/f. the window strip is the same one they always use, again, available on the storefront. im not sure about the window strip on the radical though (my enter key doesnt work, sorry for the huge paragraph)
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Window strips are not required on open cockpit cars - i.e. the Radical, the Lotus 2-eleven and various Le Mans Prototypes.
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On the entry list it says for the Mazda Fuari the PI is 840, but the PI for months have been PI 915 my team mate and I have been testing months with 915 we want know if its the old PI or the new PI?
CaptainHandbag- Number of posts : 49
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Re: Regulation Clarification
The Mazda and the Radical have both had their PIs re-balanced.
Guest- Guest
Re: Regulation Clarification
Well [Censored] that [Censored], take skunk works racing out of the champiojnship were not racing under these terms a week from the race. . . . [Censored] ridiculous
CaptainHandbag- Number of posts : 49
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Re: Regulation Clarification
So you would be happy racing in a championship where your car had a massive unfair advantage over the other competitors.
Guest- Guest
Re: Regulation Clarification
I would be happy racing in a championship that would give more than one weeks notice about changing rules that people have spent months staying to. . .
CaptainHandbag- Number of posts : 49
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Re: Regulation Clarification
i'm ok with him racing in it at that PI
HCR generaltso- TORA Race Number : 12
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Re: Regulation Clarification
What im trying to say is that we have spent months on tuning for a particular car, This means tuning but also testing different cars in the class. . . . what every one does. . . . now changing th rules and reg means that its an unfair advantage wihich is just ridiculous at a time when theres not enough time to actually test and tune other cars. . .
CaptainHandbag- Number of posts : 49
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Re: Regulation Clarification
Everybody was informed which cars they will be racing in at the same time.
Better now than 2 races in, no.
Better now than 2 races in, no.
Guest- Guest
Re: Regulation Clarification
Yeah with the old regulatios ya tit
CaptainHandbag- Number of posts : 49
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Re: Regulation Clarification
well it looks like you have just lost 2 members of the championship. u should have had it right in the first place and not less than a week before the first race, no wonder we left in the first place and now that i think of it why did we come back in the first place
fxgallardo56- Number of posts : 8
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Re: Regulation Clarification
AJ wrote:So you would be happy racing in a championship where your car had a massive unfair advantage over the other competitors.
Why wasnt this picked up when you created the car list aahhh because you dont test all the cars properly i see now...
lfcnicklfc- TORA Race Number : 11
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Re: Regulation Clarification
That's not fair. We did a hell of a lot of testing on this. We included much of the community too.
ckBrenneke- Number of posts : 3856
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Re: Regulation Clarification
Right guys. The reason that the PIs have been changed is because the cars have been rebalanced. We have found that the cars in question are insanely quick compared to some and that is what we don't want. We don't want a series where some cars are obviously too quick and some people walk the championship because of their car rather than the driver. We want the cars to be fair and balanced and after very recent testing this is what we found. We are sorry that it is quite a late change, but if you still like the car you have picked and are happy with it then your tunes and testing will not be a waste of time.
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Thanks richy but im gonna pass. . . .
CaptainHandbag- Number of posts : 49
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Scot wrote:That's not fair. We did a hell of a lot of testing on this. We included much of the community too.
then why wasnt it picked up that one of the cars was miles quicker than the others
lfcnicklfc- TORA Race Number : 11
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Re: Regulation Clarification
im out too unless it is changed back to the old PI
fxgallardo56- Number of posts : 8
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Re: Regulation Clarification
Because different drivers provided different times. It's very much the case that this championship features some expensive cars that not everyone can afford to buy and test the entire car list. So people had to select different cars and test them and then we had to work out the championship regulations based on that.
When we generally test our series, we use the following basis. One driver drives each of the car list over three tracks. The cleanest time from a ten lap run is taken, then recorded so we can tell how each car performs at that PI level.
Now, I personally ran each TCC car for example and got very close times across my testing. I could afford to do that due to the money I make from paints I sell. I also was one of those with the money to afford some of the SuperGT cars, but my times aren't as competitive as others, so perhaps on some of the cars we had to consider I was 2 seconds off the place for example to compare them with other times.
And as for the TCC, other drivers have thrown up issues in testing that I never encountered. So we are readdressing those issues.
Ongoing testing has highlighted issues and now we are in a position where we have made a change in the name of parity.
When we generally test our series, we use the following basis. One driver drives each of the car list over three tracks. The cleanest time from a ten lap run is taken, then recorded so we can tell how each car performs at that PI level.
Now, I personally ran each TCC car for example and got very close times across my testing. I could afford to do that due to the money I make from paints I sell. I also was one of those with the money to afford some of the SuperGT cars, but my times aren't as competitive as others, so perhaps on some of the cars we had to consider I was 2 seconds off the place for example to compare them with other times.
And as for the TCC, other drivers have thrown up issues in testing that I never encountered. So we are readdressing those issues.
Ongoing testing has highlighted issues and now we are in a position where we have made a change in the name of parity.
ckBrenneke- Number of posts : 3856
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Re: Regulation Clarification
You guys are very welcome to change your cars to another one if you want, bearing in mind that the Mosler and the Radical allocation have been taken up. Your cars are still good but they are now more balanced against the rest of the cars on the list. Like I said we do not want every race to have drivers dominating the rest of the field by 2 seconds a lap (example) and ruing the race for everyone else. If you guys are so confident on your cars then they will still be very competitive.
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The Furai was the most overpowered. It was at least 2 seconds per lap faster than all the other cars. That's why we didn't pick it. I am now not happy with our Radical car choice, due to having to run it stock with huge DUBS on it. I will be looking at the other cars now. BUT the obvious favourite for the championship now is the Mosler by far. It has everything! Need to go do some testing with the other available cars. Not overly happy.
WWR Chillz- Number of posts : 417
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