OFFICIAL F1 2011

Anybody else notice Schumi breaking down coming out of Rascasse right in front of Alonso? I loled.

haha! I noticed it, what was the problem?

Car just stopped working. Haha.

"Meine Necke Ist Kernackered"?

Wow, I fell asleep after F1 and half of the Indy 500, and I did not expect to wake up to the mindboggling amount nonsense that F1 seems to bring upon itself every race.

Hamilton said something stupid that he shouldn't have. He wasn't playing the race card, its just that he has the maturity of a 10 year old and couldn't think of anything else to say to voice his frustration. I admit, he is one of the 2 best drivers on the grid and probably the best overtaker, but he is never going to win another championship if he keeps losing his cool and crashing into things every other race.

For all the flak Vettel gets about being immature, I cannot figure out how Hamilton does not get it just as much. With the exception of Turkey last year, I cannot think of a single incident where Vettel has not owned up to his mistakes, whereas with Lewis, nothing is ever his fault. He has a poor Q3, its Massa's fault for being in the way, he crashes into Massa, its Massa's fault for being the the way, he crashes into Maldanado, its Maldando's fault for being the way. I'm waiting for the next time he hits the barriers, and gets out of the car to explain to the BBC that the FIA is biased against him and that the wall should be punished for not getting up and letting him through.

Massa is actually right in saying that the FIA needs to punish him in a way that will make him learn. That would be the best thing in the world to happen to Hamilton because if he could consistently race without shooting himself in the foot, he would be nearly unbeatable.

As for Vettel, it is completely unfair to constantly drag him down saying he doesn't deserve these wins. Yes the car plays a major role in winning, but that is true for every driver out there, not just Vettel, so you can't single him out for it. Plus, Webber is no where near him this year, and Mark is not a bad driver, so you have to give Seb credit for that.

Even if you ignore all of that though, Vettel has consistently been the fastest guy out there for the last 10 or so races. On pure pace, he is as good as, if not better than, everyone else out there. You can make the case he can't overtake, but I don't think there's enough evidence to support that claim. He's usually out front so he doesn't need to overtake anyone. And if you need evidence that he is just as talented as the Alonsos and Hamiltons, look at the last two races. He was able to defend against the best overtaker in the sport in Spain, he was able to defend against Alonso on much older tires today, and was able to make his tires last an incredibly long time. He was one stopping when Button was 3 stopping.

At this point, part of me would be happy to see Vettel win every race for the rest of the year just to troll the internet.

Hamilton is allowed an opinion. For the last few races at interviews (at least with the BBC guys) he has said "I got nothing to say." And now he has finally launched his feelings, everyone is slating him for being childish? It's like the BBC was saying, "We all want the drivers to express their feelings, but now Hamiltons done it, it's a bad thing?" Hamilton got his penalties, his manager and Martin Whitmarsh will probably be talking to him about it aswell. Monaco is a hard track to manouver around and when a driver sees an oppertunity to pass, they take it. I have seen the replays and TOTALLY agree with Hamilton. Maldonado, blatenly turned in earlier even when Hamilton was turning. Massa, obviously doesn't have mirrors on his car? How can you NOT see him? Hamilton was on his flippin' gearbox!

Now Vettel. As most of you know I hate him. Cannot stand him, but I will congratulate him on lasting that long on them tyres. But he don't like to be close to the pack. Within 3 laps he's already 4 seconds ahead. Even without KERS. We said we all want to see close racing, more winners and great strategys. With Vettel you don't see ANY of that. Close racing: Always 5 seconds ahead of everyone. More winners: The only other person to win a race or even come CLOSE is Hamilton, Alonso or Button. Great strategys: Ok maybe a little. But I feel the team is pushing Webber away. Who was the driver out of them two who had the superior drive over Vettel one time? And now all of a sudden, it's like he's not there. The car we all know, does 4,000mph over the other drivers. So why can't Webber do that? I can tell you why. Webber's not getting the proper setups or upgrades from his team. I prefer Webber over Vettel. Couple reasons. 1. He doesn't do this childish "finger" thing. 2. He don't do any annoying speeches over the radio. 3. He is genuinely a great person. Let's not forget here, Hamilton is British, Webber is Australian and Vettel is German. Brits are great drivers, it's been proven. Aussies are decent drivers and decent people. Germans are arrogant idiots that cry if they are 2nd.

I wish people would stop slating Hamilton.

By all means, Hamilton should be allowed to voice his opinion, and I'll praise him for doing so. However, he is a world famous athlete being paid 10 of millions of dollars. When he voices his opinion, he needs to sound like a mature adult, not an angry child. Webber does this on a regular basis, always being honest about what he thinks, but he never comes off as if he cannot control his emotions.

I don't understand how you can fault Vettel for being quick. If that's the criteria for how much you like a driver, then HRT must be your favorite team. What evidence is there that Red Bull is purposefully slowing Webber down. All teams have a stated policy where the lead car in a race gets the better pit strategy, so that doesn't count. Secondly, Red Bull LOSES points when Webber loses to Button, Hamilton, and Alonso, so unless they are actively trying to endanger their constructors title, they are not trying to make Webber lose. Even Mark himself admits that Vettel just has a better grasp on the tires this year.

And I really don't think you need to bring any xenophobia into this.

How can you express your feeling like a "mature adult" when you are having the worst season ever. Don't tell me you would be talking to a camera after 6 races going "Yeah, its just not feeling great, blah blah blah."

Actually no, McLaren is my favourite team because they are HONEST and develop their car well. I haven't heard of any upgrades from Red Bull yet? That tells me that they are too far up their own arses that they dont care cos they know that their car has some stupid thing that makes them go about 12 seconds quicker than anyone. And another thing, they know they can't lose because, lets say Vettels first (no suprise) and Webber is 4th, thats 37 points. And lets say McLarens are 2 and 3, thats only 33. So if it stays like that, which seems to be all the time. They cant lose.

But er, you're the one hating on Hamilton?

Hey, this is Grand Prix racing, a 300km test of cutting edge engineering with drivers chosen from the cream of the crop of the junior formulae to drive these ultimate machines, not Touring Cars, if a driver clearly is the fastest, and is making the most of a good car, he should be winning, thats what F1 is about.

And they all are making the most of their car. I don't see them doing 20mph round a track? So yes, I imagine they are pushing their car to the limits.

Hamilton was unlucky with the massa pass ill admit but it wasnt alongside the williams. Think about it would Pastor really turn into Hamilton and ruin a great race??? Second one is 100% hamiltons fault. As for his interview, i think he should get another pently for canada, you cant go around making ANYTHING racist let alone the sport where hes the only black driver.

Hamiltons always been big headed, what he did at Hungry in 07 showed that clearly. And he hes good at overtaking yes but if Montoya was still around Hamilton wouldnt look as good!

what on earth did Hamilton do in Hungary 07 apart from get held up in the pits for 30 seconds from his team mate so he couldn't set a 2nd flying lap haha??

Lol.

There was no way on Gods green Earth that Massa or Maldonado saw Hamilton steaming straight through their already closing door.

The man has no patience. I didn't find the Ali G joke racist, but it was just a really really poor joke. The man obviously has no sense of humour either.

To be fair to Hamilton, Massa clearly looked into his mirror and saw Hamilton positioning to dive on his inside and then turned in on him, so that was a 50/50 Massa knew he was coming and should have gave him room or risk contact which happend and Hamilton was a bit too ambitious. As for his incident with Maldonado that was defiantely Hamilton's fault he was very only slightly along side going into a corner with no real braking zone. I have to say Mclaren build the strongest front wings i've ever seen in F1 Hamilton's didn't want to break no matter who he hit haha!

They'd have to be the strongest with Hamilton driving.

They should get rid of all the wings for Monaco Let the drivers have at it.

See, Hamilton apologised for saying that Ali G joke. He said that him and the FIA made peace with that and I don't think many other drivers apologise for stuff like that. But, it's true what I was reading earlier. If they had interviewed him about an hour later, he would probably have been calmer, but after the race when emotions and adrenaline are sky high, you expect stuff like that.

They should get rid of all the wings for Monaco Let the drivers have at it.

Lool, that would be a fun race.

When adrenaline is sky high, I certainly would not make reference to a Sasha Baren Coen film.

Well, yeah but you would make a reference to something that felt applicable to how you feel.

I'd probably be smart enough to see that it was not Massa or Maldonado's fault in the first place.

Alright whatever.

nickyf1 wrote:Lol.

There was no way on Gods green Earth that Massa or Maldonado saw Hamilton steaming straight through their already closing door.

The man has no patience. I didn't find the Ali G joke racist, but it was just a really really poor joke. The man obviously has no sense of humour either.

Spot on there mate. I'd change ur sig on the strength of that post alone. If you watch the replay of the Massa incident there was nowhere for Massa to go coz he had Webber on his outside. Both were clearly Hammy's fault.

johnnyboy360 wrote:How can you express your feeling like a "mature adult" when you are having the worst season ever. Don't tell me you would be talking to a camera after 6 races going "Yeah, its just not feeling great, blah blah blah."

Actually no, McLaren is my favourite team because they are HONEST and develop their car well. I haven't heard of any upgrades from Red Bull yet? That tells me that they are too far up their own arses that they dont care cos they know that their car has some stupid thing that makes them go about 12 seconds quicker than anyone. And another thing, they know they can't lose because, lets say Vettels first (no suprise) and Webber is 4th, thats 37 points. And lets say McLarens are 2 and 3, thats only 33. So if it stays like that, which seems to be all the time. They cant lose.

But er, you're the one hating on Hamilton?

If was being paid the kind of money that Hamilton is from both McLaren and his sponsors, I would never respond the way he did. Regardless of how angry he was, he is the face of McLaren, the face of all his sponsors, and in the UK the face of F1 itself. Whether he likes it or not, he has a responsibility to not shoot his mouth off. He can be the best driver that ever lived, but if can't deal with the PR side of the sport, then he shouldn't be in F1. Look at Kimi, he got sick of it and left. If he really has such a problem with the FIA, there are plenty of other racing series that would welcome someone with his talent with open arms.

If you aren't noticing Red Bull's upgrades, then you are just not paying attention. The fact that the RB7 is always out front is not because the other teams are incompetent, its because Newey brings something new to every race.

When there are tens of millions on the line depending on where you finish in the Constructors Championship, do you really think Red Bull would want to have their drivers finish anywhere but 1 and 2? The reason Webber isn't beating Vettel this year is because he can't work the tires as well in qualy, and then he gets terrible starts in the races, which leave him stuck in traffic.

And I'm not hating on Hamilton, I love to watch the guy race. I'm just sick of seeing someone who is clearly capable of winning doing everything he can to keep himself from doing so. And that's only made worse when he gets out of the car and complains to the media about it.

johnnyboy360 wrote:See, Hamilton apologised for saying that Ali G joke. He said that him and the FIA made peace with that and I don't think many other drivers apologise for stuff like that. But, it's true what I was reading earlier. If they had interviewed him about an hour later, he would probably have been calmer, but after the race when emotions and adrenaline are sky high, you expect stuff like that.

Well there you go, even Hamilton admits that he should never have said that. I don't think any other drivers apologize for stuff like that because they don't say stuff like that.

If the places were reversed, if it was Massa who hit Hamilton, and Maldonado who hit Hamilton, would you be blaming Massa and Maldonado?

If it was Sebastien Vettel who made some silly immature reference to something, would you be defending him?

Think about it. When it comes to Formula 1, theres always an awful lot of driver favouritism by people, so think about that before you post, might save a few arguments!

Not talking about you narboza btw.

I'm not exactly a fan of Hamilton, but he is great for F1, a great driver, and not afraid to go for it. I just hate it when some drivers (its an F1 problem) go all into spoiled tantrums.

When was the last time you heard an F1 driver say something particularly clever?

narboza22 wrote:If you aren't noticing Red Bull's upgrades, then you are just not paying attention. The fact that the RB7 is always out front is not because the other teams are incompetent, its because Newey brings something new to every race.

And I'm not hating on Hamilton, I love to watch the guy race. I'm just sick of seeing someone who is clearly capable of winning doing everything he can to keep himself from doing so. And that's only made worse when he gets out of the car and complains to the media about it.

1. The reason I'm not noticing Red Bulls upgrades is cos I dont like them.

2. Who else is he gonna complain to? He will obviously complain to his team who will go ok, we will look into it and get something done, blah blah blah, and when something does happen and he is still not happy, he is gonna think his team aint listening and complain to the media.

nickyf1 wrote:Think about it. When it comes to Formula 1, theres always an awful lot of driver favouritism by people, so think about that before you post, might save a few arguments!

Yes we are always gonna have favouritsm over some drivers and we are gonna express our feelings and opinions, and some will agree while others start arguements that no one can win cos we are not in the drivers shoes. So why is it that when only a few of us, express our opinions, get put into an arguement cos we expressed an opinion? And yet others get "Well yeah true" and nothing else is said? It's people who start arguements over opinions who I hate. No one has started an arguement, only expressed their feelings which people automatically assume is an arguement and jump in. I support Hamilton because he is British. He is a great driver and it has been proven. I feel as if this season is being ruined by Vettel. Because people will eventually, not watch the race, see the result and go "Oh, no suprise, Vettel won." But, I'm done with expressing my opinion, cos I know I'm not gonna win cos its an opinion no one else agrees with.