Endurance fever

^ wouldn't be surprised

LMR DJFiisSHYPR wrote:Ohh yeah we forgot the 1000km of Suzuka! That's a great race!

it's one of my favorites. we've already got superGT cars sorted out too.

Mad-catz wrote:So hope for Britcar we could use FWD in production. Like honda cilvic's ect.

yeah, i'm sure this is what it'll be like. AWD class RWD class GT3, GT4 etc. etc.

I think staff assistance is definitely needed for an endurance race. We couldn't do it on our own, feel free to try prove me wrong the 1000km of Suzuka is probably the most formidable. The track is there, the cars are there. All is needed is a date essentially.

Would love the 12 hours of Hockenheim!

mopar4t4 wrote:

mopar4t4 wrote:24hrs of Daytona.

Use old MSA TORA GT spec cars to have as the GT class.

Then for the DP class, I suggest using Moslers and Joss' up to R2 class with a power restriction and a specfic build in lure of the Daytona Prototypes we don't have in game.

As for the track, you could use Sunset Raceway (not reverse)

forgot about the Ultimas, eventhough they look the most like the DP's lol

not sure if it would work out unfortunately, I test drove some cars with the build I invisioned and there would be some GT issues unfortunately

mopar4t4 wrote:

mopar4t4 wrote:

mopar4t4 wrote:24hrs of Daytona.

Use old MSA TORA GT spec cars to have as the GT class.

Then for the DP class, I suggest using Moslers and Joss' up to R2 class with a power restriction and a specfic build in lure of the Daytona Prototypes we don't have in game.

As for the track, you could use Sunset Raceway (not reverse)

forgot about the Ultimas, eventhough they look the most like the DP's lol

not sure if it would work out unfortunately, I test drove some cars with the build I invisioned and there would be some GT issues unfortunately

currently woring on it now, using only Mosler and Joss work really well, and se GT2 cars but with a power and grip handicap (working on that now) and it's working really well
so far i have:
Group 1
[/u]car class R3
PI>765
PI<780 (acounts for 3rd party wheels)
Power>450 HP
Power<550 HP
curb weight> 2000 lbs
curb weight< 2500 lbs
car type: production
manditory parts: race wing and front bumper (mosler only needs front bumper)
race brakes
race tyres
race spinrgs
3rd party wheels

Group 2
class: R3
body family: GT2
power handicap:-35%
power handicap: -30%
front grip: -15%
rear grip: -15%
still working on the 3 handicaps, but going well so far
all gt cars run off specs for iscc and series and the have current handicaps
try this

then have mosler and joss with roll cages, brakes and tyres etc

What I originally thought of doing was using the upcoming Season 9 TORA GT cars as the GT class and then using the old Nissan R390 Racespec car as the DP.

either way, thought of that car too, couldn't b bothered buying it andtrying to get it matched too haha, but if you need any ideas or base lines to work off, there there if need be

Richy59 wrote:What I originally thought of doing was using the upcoming Season 9 TORA GT cars as the GT class and then using the old Nissan R390 Racespec car as the DP.

The R390 seems to be along the lines of what the Daytone Prototype was inspired from. Logical choice. How does the Porsche GT1 compare to the Nissan R390 in FM4? I think that they are the same era, or was the R390 earlier? Either way, the reason I brought up the Porsche is that there were some Porsche DPs up until recently.

Nick James123 wrote:
Ohhhh god not the Porsche....should have 2 diffrent car choice !! Well thats if you want me again ?? Hahahaha, after my performance at LeMans i dont blame you if you dont....although first stint wasnt my fault !!

Oh Man, that took me back to stint 10, you and that Porsche were never gonna be friends.. especially through Porsche Curves "It won't even go through it's own f***ing corner.."

STATIC TREMOR wrote:

Nick James123 wrote:
Ohhhh god not the Porsche....should have 2 diffrent car choice !! Well thats if you want me again ?? Hahahaha, after my performance at LeMans i dont blame you if you dont....although first stint wasnt my fault !!

Oh Man, that took me back to stint 10, you and that Porsche were never gonna be friends.. especially through Porsche Curves "It won't even go through it's own f***ing corner.."

I was soooo p***ed off with myself...in both stints i had incidents although stint 3 wasnt my fault and without the silly mistake in stint 10 i would have done about 232 laps...i was sooooooooooo slow !! But yeah i had to laugh about it as the car was sooo bad !! lol Cracked myself up as well as everyone else in that stint

Fun cup!!!!!!!!!! use the VW beetle!
25hours of maple valley!

GRT 458Italia wrote:

mopar4t4 wrote:

mopar4t4 wrote:

mopar4t4 wrote:24hrs of Daytona.

Use old MSA TORA GT spec cars to have as the GT class.

Then for the DP class, I suggest using Moslers and Joss' up to R2 class with a power restriction and a specfic build in lure of the Daytona Prototypes we don't have in game.

As for the track, you could use Sunset Raceway (not reverse)

forgot about the Ultimas, eventhough they look the most like the DP's lol

not sure if it would work out unfortunately, I test drove some cars with the build I invisioned and there would be some GT issues unfortunately

currently woring on it now, using only Mosler and Joss work really well, and se GT2 cars but with a power and grip handicap (working on that now) and it's working really well
so far i have:
Group 1
[/u]car class R3
PI>765
PI<780 (acounts for 3rd party wheels)
Power>450 HP
Power<550 HP
curb weight> 2000 lbs
curb weight< 2500 lbs
car type: production
manditory parts: race wing and front bumper (mosler only needs front bumper)
race brakes
race tyres
race spinrgs
3rd party wheels

Group 2
class: R3
body family: GT2
power handicap:-35%
power handicap: -30%
front grip: -15%
rear grip: -15%
still working on the 3 handicaps, but going well so far
all gt cars run off specs for iscc and series and the have current handicaps
try this

methinks you need a bit more power for the DP's and more for the GT's. Mosler needs the Rear Wing, just have a separate build for each car, other wise one has certain advantages over the other.

hey guys, i have almost got te Dayton 24 set as (us a base line for anyone who wants to improve) only 2 classes, DP, split into three (joss/mosler, ultima and Nissan R3900 split to balance the cars and D GT (GT2 cars with some power and handling handicaps)
if anyone wants run a short race to try it out, message me on XBL

Lack of Camaro, Mustang, and RX-8 makes using GT2 cars wrong.

Rx 8, Camaro, Mustang, 997 GT3, Corvette, and Ferrari 458 are the cars in Rolex GT. And realistically, they would be high S or very very bottom of R3.

Then the Mosler, Ultima, Joss, etc wouldn't have to be upgraded as high either. Low/Mid R2 would be appropriate for DP.

WHOA, just noticed this thread

Can say I'm interested. Let me know what comes of it, I'll be up for it.

What can I say Simon, you guys got me hooked on the long distance races.

mopar4t4 wrote:

GRT 458Italia wrote:

mopar4t4 wrote:

mopar4t4 wrote:

mopar4t4 wrote:24hrs of Daytona.

Use old MSA TORA GT spec cars to have as the GT class.

Then for the DP class, I suggest using Moslers and Joss' up to R2 class with a power restriction and a specfic build in lure of the Daytona Prototypes we don't have in game.

As for the track, you could use Sunset Raceway (not reverse)

forgot about the Ultimas, eventhough they look the most like the DP's lol

not sure if it would work out unfortunately, I test drove some cars with the build I invisioned and there would be some GT issues unfortunately

currently woring on it now, using only Mosler and Joss work really well, and se GT2 cars but with a power and grip handicap (working on that now) and it's working really well
so far i have:
Group 1
[/u]car class R3
PI>765
PI<780 (acounts for 3rd party wheels)
Power>450 HP
Power<550 HP
curb weight> 2000 lbs
curb weight< 2500 lbs
car type: production
manditory parts: race wing and front bumper (mosler only needs front bumper)
race brakes
race tyres
race spinrgs
3rd party wheels

Group 2
class: R3
body family: GT2
power handicap:-35%
power handicap: -30%
front grip: -15%
rear grip: -15%
still working on the 3 handicaps, but going well so far
all gt cars run off specs for iscc and series and the have current handicaps
try this

methinks you need a bit more power for the DP's and more for the GT's. Mosler needs the Rear Wing, just have a separate build for each car, other wise one has certain advantages over the other.

Same, I'm hoping I can get some help with it so I have more people of different driver skill (and not just AI) so I can get it working better. And as for the camaro, rx-8 etc that was mentioned, we wepuld have to dust off the old season 8 car mods and do that, if that would work? Will work on DP soon, may need some help though

I don't know if there should be another 24h on the cards, unless it's Daytona/Sunset Peninsula. These should be big events in TORA that only rear their head annually. Reason probably being as Richy said they take a lot of preparation to organise and manage (and also the real race happens only once a year anyway).

Saying that, I'm sure the TEC can be expanded, maybe comprising of 5/6 12h? We've got Sebring, Silverstone & Nurburgring already, I'm sure other TORA specialties can happen with REAL challenging tracks such as Mugello & Suzuka (which would be awesome).

As ever, the staff are the ones who organise it and do it so well, but maybe a special team of TEC staff should be deployed? Or at least an extra person or two to collect entries, answer any questions, administrate etc.

I'd be happy to go PI balance a few cars for a Rolex GT class, as well as investigate some cars for DP.

Although I think that a 458 + Suspension, cage, brakes, tyres, and downforce should be the benchmark PI for the DP cars.



And look at this, I found a total gem for the Daytona 24 specs regarding cars and upgrades:
http://www.grand-am.com/Portals/0/Images/PDF/GrandTouring(GT)SpecificCarRegulations2012_6_26.pdf


EDIT--and here, I found the complete specifications for DPs, too:
http://www.grand-am.com/portals/0/grandam/Rulebook/2012%20Rulebook%20Online/2012%20DP-GCR.pdf

@ Bli33ard, I rather agree that LM should be the "big one", but a whole year is a very long wait, so a January/February Daytona 24 @ Sunset would fill that need.

Other than that a 6-12 Hour enduros using co-drivers at Sebring, Nurburgring and Silverstone sound great, but I have yet to do one of those races.

The other ideas that I've heard tossed about, one-offs such as an Aussie V8 Supercar 1000k and a Clubman based 24 at Laguna Seca could be fun as well, and as long as they aren't taken as seriously as the LM was, they shouldn't require nearly as much staff work.

cant forget about 1000KM of suzuka...


and i think all of these will be taken very seriously.

Not sure what cars actually do the 1,000km of Suzuka, but a mix of the JGTC 300/500 cars might be interesting as they're pretty balanced out the box right?

BG Beanz wrote:Not sure what cars actually do the 1,000km of Suzuka, but a mix of the JGTC 300/500 cars might be interesting as they're pretty balanced out the box right?

a long time ago it was World Sports Cars that did it, early 90's i believe.

mid 90's i think it became part of the all japan grand touring championship (JGTC)

http://forums.theonlineracingassociation.com/f183-tora-supergt-mini-series

we've got a list of GT500 and GT300 cars there.