V8 Supercars Camino Viejo de Montserrat 1000km **New Important info**

Just about to

Some comments to the rules:

This glorious race will be held on Saturday 20th of October and will go from 10 am BST to 4 pm BST

Somewhere else in this thread the 27th of October is mentioned. What is correct?

Track Limits ... If a sixth and subsequent "corner cutting" occurrences happen within a race meeting, then that driver will lose a position for each corner cut.

Lose position on overall ranking? Who will check this? IMHO, track limits have to be adhered to, but I don't see any reasonable punishment for this endurance race.

There will be a designated ‘safety car’ vehicle utilised in this race

Let's get rid of safety car. Safety car makes only sense with a proper race control.

Race Etiquette
4th offense- Driver through penalty.
5th offense- Stop and Go penalty (30 seconds)

It's meant during the race, right? Who will call out that? Again, this won't work without proper race control.

Race start ... On your mark ...(After a predetermined period of time)... GO!

Why not calling a certain race time as GO point? Then it could be easily checked in the replay if someone jump-started and needs to be penalized. It's then also easier to subtract the start time from the finish times.

THE CARS ... Konig Daylight Rims (most like one used IRL)

Why to enforce certain rims? Could be a suggestions, but shouldn't be "must have".

Scoring

I miss the scoring definition for those who not complete the required number of laps. Could be e.g. added 4 minutes per missed lap. Again I suggest a fair scoring for lagged out drivers, e.g. pre-defined "finish" race time of 4 minutes * number of laps.

God I'm loosing it haha, so confused because what u guys are saying is great, I just dunno how to change it, I'll jump on the computer and have a look

no I think Safety cars are required for this track because of its narrow nature. if someone whacks the wall really hard and they have 60% engine damage and 100% steering damage, it will be very hard for the cars trying to avoid the car to do so at full speed. easier to call an SC until the car can reach the pits (if possible) if the car cannot reach the pits than they must quit out of the race and tell the lobby host/SC driver what lap they were on at time of the crash so it can be recorded.

I say this out of experience, I was in a DTM league race here and someone was quite damaged and I was in the lead and we nearly collided because his car swerved infront of me on the exit of "Blind-Mans Corner". I nearly shat my pants at the sight of that.

EDIT: Only call it when either engine and/or steering damage is more than 50%

thoughts now?

about what I said? or did you edit the OP?

EDIT: NVM

I just had a thought. If we have two lobbies, a safety car deployed in one lobby will add time to the lobby winners overall time, so eventho the driver was faster than the lobby winner in the other lobby he/she may have a slower finishing time due to the length of a safety car period(s). Are you going to have a party chat with the two or more SC drivers and then they will roll out the SC at the same time?

i updated the original post again, i put a note at the end, i'm just gonna have to fiddle witht the race stuff, ie distance, and time after

Already said this before....

You want stints of 2 hrs I guess?

1,5 Hrs racing, 10-15 minutes waiting for contestants and then 15 minutes for the next stint.

1 warm up takes 3 minutes
36 laps 2.40 takes 96 minutes

This is 99 minutes and this is a really fast drive.....

You will never make it in 1 hour and a half.....

mopar4t4 wrote:I just had a thought. If we have two lobbies, a safety car deployed in one lobby will add time to the lobby winners overall time, so eventho the driver was faster than the lobby winner in the other lobby he/she may have a slower finishing time due to the length of a safety car period(s). Are you going to have a party chat with the two or more SC drivers and then they will roll out the SC at the same time?

Another reason to get rid of safety car. Yes, the track has close walls and a damaged car may cause trouble. But shall the driver of a damaged car really call a safety car by himself? We had several safety car phases in clubman and GT races. There a safety car could be requested by drivers who were involved in an incident with several cars. Still the handling of safety car was not consistent: sometimes called for just minor issues, sometimes not called even for big crash. Still I think safety car could cause more trouble than it helps. Instead clear driving rules for slow/damaged cars should be defined.

Sorry guys for the misunderstanding but this race will be held on the 27th instead of the 20th of October!!!!

changing now

One month away!

Well.....it looks like that the big 3 ( F4H, CQR and BG) are scared to drive against CRA on Camino.....
Also no members of tora(yet)?

Come on guys!
No guts, no glory!

CRA Adder wrote:Well.....it looks like that the big 3 ( F4H, CQR and BG) are scared to drive against CRA on Camino.....
Also no members of tora(yet)?

Come on guys!
No guts, no glory!

YAY IM NEITHER MENTIONED!!!

I feel special for being not part of a club

You're also CRA, but you don't know it( yet).

i give you
the Pirtek racing #31 entry for the event

thanks heaps to CQR NEON for the paint, looks amazing

Just announced my teammate! and his name.......

DRAKE HELLSPAWN

Nice!!!!!

tsaFooT wrote:Some comments to the rules:

This glorious race will be held on Saturday 20th of October and will go from 10 am BST to 4 pm BST

Somewhere else in this thread the 27th of October is mentioned. What is correct?

Track Limits ... If a sixth and subsequent "corner cutting" occurrences happen within a race meeting, then that driver will lose a position for each corner cut.

Lose position on overall ranking? Who will check this? IMHO, track limits have to be adhered to, but I don't see any reasonable punishment for this endurance race.

There will be a designated ‘safety car’ vehicle utilised in this race

Let's get rid of safety car. Safety car makes only sense with a proper race control.

Race Etiquette
4th offense- Driver through penalty.
5th offense- Stop and Go penalty (30 seconds)

It's meant during the race, right? Who will call out that? Again, this won't work without proper race control.

Race start ... On your mark ...(After a predetermined period of time)... GO!

Why not calling a certain race time as GO point? Then it could be easily checked in the replay if someone jump-started and needs to be penalized. It's then also easier to subtract the start time from the finish times.

THE CARS ... Konig Daylight Rims (most like one used IRL)

Why to enforce certain rims? Could be a suggestions, but shouldn't be "must have".

Scoring

I miss the scoring definition for those who not complete the required number of laps. Could be e.g. added 4 minutes per missed lap. Again I suggest a fair scoring for lagged out drivers, e.g. pre-defined "finish" race time of 4 minutes * number of laps.

hey man, sorry it's taken so long for me to reply, so, here's what i've come up with (still to be comfirmed, but just to answer them):

Track Limits ... If a sixth and subsequent "corner cutting" occurrences happen within a race meeting, then that driver will lose a position for each corner cut.

Lose position on overall ranking? Who will check this? IMHO, track limits have to be adhered to, but I don't see any reasonable punishment for this endurance race.

i think we may ditch this idea becasuse as you've said, it will be too difficult.

There will be a designated ‘safety car’ vehicle utilised in this race

Let's get rid of safety car. Safety car makes only sense with a proper race control.

i think (and hope) when morph and i can find time that suits both of us to talk, i am hoping this will be one thing to talk about, like you said in a later post, it will throw the lobbies off if there are two lobbies and one has a safety car, thats not the only thing, but it is a big influence on total result.

Race Etiquette
4th offense- Driver through penalty.
5th offense- Stop and Go penalty (30 seconds)

It's meant during the race, right? Who will call out that? Again, this won't work without proper race control.

i think this answer is the same as the other one? if not let me know and i shall help you with more explination.

THE CARS ... Konig Daylight Rims (most like one used IRL)

Why to enforce certain rims? Could be a suggestions, but shouldn't be "must have".

i see why your saying this, i just thought it'd be cool to have as realistic rims as possible, but it makes no difference to the performance of the cars, hence why i decided to change it back to how it was originally with just any 3rd party wheels.

Scoring

I miss the scoring definition for those who not complete the required number of laps. Could be e.g. added 4 minutes per missed lap. Again I suggest a fair scoring for lagged out drivers, e.g. pre-defined "finish" race time of 4 minutes * number of laps.

i will have a look into it, 4 min per lap seems fairly reasonable, but an early lag out might be quite a bit of extra time, i will talk to morph about it when i can, maybe having a 3.5 min*lap or something, but i will talk to him and confirm it.

i hope i answered your questions well enough, if not, let me know and ask whatever information you are missing. if anyone else has any questions, dont be affraid to ask myself or Morphader and you will get a respons at some stage

do you guys recon you could beat last years or this years results (when they happen)? they're the same car, and distance, but the only differance is the track, do you recon we could do it? the time for last year was 6 hr 26 min 52.269 sec.
so, i recon this is something to aim for,
that's all

Hey guys, so this isn't concrete or anything because I haven't talked to morph about it, but I was wondering, what do you guys think about having 3 stints, instead of 4? I did this maths with my average lap time so it will vary but here are the times:
Distance: 1000 km
Track length: 6.95km
Laps: 1000/6.95= 143.8/4= 35.9 (36)
4 stints: lap time of 2:44 (164 sec)
Stint length 36 laps x 164= 5904 sec (98.4 min/1 hr 38 minutes 24 sec)
So if we did 4 stints, the stints would take 1 hr 38 minutes per stint.
In total it would take 6 hrs 33 min (plus lobby changing and loading)

3 stints:
Laps: 1000/6.95= 143.8/3= 47.9 (48 laps)
3 stints with lap time of 2:44 (164)
Stint length: 48 x 164= 7873 sec (131.2 min/2 hrs 10 min 48 seconds)
So for 3 stints it would take 2 hrs 10 min per stint.
In total it would take 6 hours 28.8 plus lobby changing and loading)

I recon that having 3 stints will be easier to manage, with less changes and there will be less loading times because of the 1 less lobby change. On the other side, it will include a higher endurance capability and will induce higher fatigue and more concentration and true endurance, not saying 4 stints will be easy, trust me it won't be, I did half a stint (before my controller died and I crashed) and that was tough enough, but good because this track is so demanding so what do you guys think?
And like I said, it's not concrete and still needs to be discussed but was just getting opinions
That's all

I wouldn't mind it, but considering most teams will be two drivers, to make it only 3 stints instead of 4 gives an uneven split of stints.

Yea that's true

I believe 4 stints will be best. We either can do the first half, and then switch drivers for the second half, or switch after every stint. 4 gives the most options.

yea, that's my thought, i was just seeing what others thought