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Post by HCR Motorhead Thu 30 May 2013 - 13:00

Ok I'm going to be the first to bluntly ask why the hell does the Audi get a 5% handicap when it's slower than the Peugeot in a straight line already?

The Honda even has comparable top speeds to the Audi in unchanged form, if you know how to gear it to the power band.

Why change it now of all times? When we thought the consistency and stability was there, and over both events. Why base it off previous race form when the Peugeot's the one to beat here. Maybe we should have parked up and let the Peugeot win at Sebring then you'd have handicapped that.

I'm talking with the team now about after all the scheduling and practice we've done, to have our car castrated and rendered basically obsolete.

Maybe if I kick up a storm like whoever did it to Drake Hellspawn's team last year, maybe I'll get what I want???

Someone PM or tweet me with 'justification.'
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Post by Racert46 Thu 30 May 2013 - 13:08

I was about to post the same thing. It is so wrong to do this.
We picked the R18 for lemans we drove sebring with that car because of Lemans. All our work is for nothing if you give this car a 5% handicap.

Indeed some justification would be nice.
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Post by CRA XenoMorph Thu 30 May 2013 - 13:11

CRA Racert wrote:I was about to post the same thing. It is so wrong to do this.
We picked the R18 for lemans we drove sebring with that car because of Lemans. All our work is for nothing if you give this car a 5% handicap.

Indeed some justification would be nice.


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Post by BG Wumba Thu 30 May 2013 - 13:23

I'm pretty sure there is a good reason for the changes, as quite a bit of testing has been done.
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Post by BG Wingnut396 Thu 30 May 2013 - 13:49

well now i know the build i can start working on our car better start getting the guys rounded up and practicing lol
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Post by Richy59 Thu 30 May 2013 - 14:09

We have mirrored the ISCC Car List for this upcoming season, which has been signed off by many people from this community, many who specialize in each class. We have Le Mans in the series calendar for ISCC, so having both mirrored has let us carry out tests on shows us the results. The Peugeot almost got the 5% as well, but with the restrictor off as it does not have the same level of grip. The cars haven't been adjusted off the back of Sebring, but based off of the thorough testing of the ISCC. The Audi has the 5% for the ISCC as it covers a variety of circuits.

However, for Le Mans on it's own the Audi doesn't need 5% and I didn't mean to put it on so I will remove it for TEC only.


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Post by Racert46 Thu 30 May 2013 - 14:22

Thank You!
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Post by CRA XenoMorph Thu 30 May 2013 - 14:23

Thanks cheers
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Post by Richy59 Thu 30 May 2013 - 14:27

If, however, justification is given to me for the Audi to remain like the ISCC and be given the 5% then I will take it on board. I know the testing data fro the ISCC season in its entirety and Le Mans specifically, so I can go either way with it. If someone who thinks they are proficient at R1 testing and wants to prove to me which build is better then you have a week.
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Post by HCR Motorhead Thu 30 May 2013 - 14:35

I do a lot of R1 leaderboards so that's why I was shocked to see for Le Mans the Audi had the handicap. However for the ISCC I'd agree with the enforcement overall for a season.
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Post by CQR Rogue Thu 30 May 2013 - 14:46

^^^ Yep ISCC is awesome cant wait
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Post by ShrinkingSteven Thu 30 May 2013 - 14:55

SelectiveRogue wrote:^^^ Yep ISCC is awesome cant wait

Thought Porsche Super cup was? lol!
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Post by ATR DAN Thu 30 May 2013 - 15:07

Can I ask why the Lola Aston is the only LMP1 car with a 5% power handicap? I don't know why you've allowed to bump the P.I to 998 where with this handicap, the lack of straight line speed is gonna be exactly the same as a stock build. And as proven at last years Le Mans race, that's where we were losing a load of time.
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Post by AdamWatson99 Thu 30 May 2013 - 15:33

could some one explain to me how you would change your drivers but not have a new team (having a dum moment) , are you allowed to change drivers?
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Post by Ax4x Bandit Thu 30 May 2013 - 15:39

AdamWatson99 wrote:could some one explain to me how you would change your drivers but not have a new team (having a dum moment) , are you allowed to change drivers?

You can change drivers all you want.
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Post by AdamWatson99 Thu 30 May 2013 - 15:47

I am using the #79 BMW M3 GT2 and when i do the builds i can not get the right PI , front tire makes the PI 760 and there is not 315 unless there stock
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Post by Ax4x Chaddy Thu 30 May 2013 - 15:54

@Dan

Think this change gives it a wee bit more power than last year? (I maybe wrong)
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Post by ATR DAN Thu 30 May 2013 - 16:09

CQR Franchitti wrote:@Dan

Think this change gives it a wee bit more power than last year? (I maybe wrong)

MORE POWER?? Compared with 653bhp in stock form, 5% (35bhp) taken away from 694bhp is about 659bhp so I hardly call that a power boost!!!! Suspect Suspect Suspect Suspect
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Post by ShrinkingSteven Thu 30 May 2013 - 16:25

Better than nothing? Might be a extra Mph or two Dan. lol!
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Post by LMR Sahara Thu 30 May 2013 - 16:48

Y U NO PUT LMP FOR NEWCOMING TEAMS!!!??? Sad
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Post by Richy59 Thu 30 May 2013 - 16:50

Please read what I have already posted, the TEC is a year long event. Team who entered into Sebring will have one week this Sunday to confirm their entry. If they do not then the spaces will be free'd up for any new Teams or Teams changing cars/names and such. We are keeping the lobby caps as it was difficult enough for us at the 12 Hours of Sebring, now we have 24 Hours coming up.
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Post by Richy59 Thu 30 May 2013 - 16:55

From Registration:

To confirm your participation if you are not changing any details then please post "Team Name - Confirmed"

If you are changing Drivers then please re-post the entire entry.

If you are changing Team Name or Team Car then your entry will be invalid and your space will be opened up to new teams. You will then have to re-apply when general Registration Opens.

You must do this for the first week starting this Sunday.
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Post by Adder 020 Thu 30 May 2013 - 19:11

add 1 driver to CRA team 2 is that also change?

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Post by Racert46 Thu 30 May 2013 - 19:33

You are free to swap drivers all you want as long as car and teamname remains the same. You just post a new driver list to confirm the entry.
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Post by Midnight LMR Thu 30 May 2013 - 19:44

Are you going to open a new thread for this or do we use this or the stint thread?
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