European GT championship. General discussion.

sprint race and a feature race would be interesting!!    

it's just how to make it all work efficiently and simply!!

I like the 'half time' break between the two races. It reminds me of the 60:60 sprint races in the V8 Supercars and works like having a safety car thrown in to bunch the field back up.

As for the reverse grids, not so much. It almost always leads to chaos at some point (see almost every Race 3 in the TCC events). These cars are more fragile and just as evenly matched to the point where you don't need the reverse grid to create the chaos IMO.

Rather than doing a reverse grid and/or backing out the lobby to reset the points to get the order correct, how about another suggestion:

A: Parade lap in race (1 extra lap) and rolling start... like in ISCC.

B: Parade lap and grid start (1 extra lap) like in the TCC.

Opinions?

B , because rolling starts cause more hassle than there worth when getting into position

Why isn't reseting the room being considered. Everyone always wants a break between race 1 & race 2 which gives you plenty of time to reset everything. I personally think both of them are more of a pain than just reseting because if you end up having to restart you have to redo the whole parade lap. Also I'm not keen on rolling starts, I know it's more realistic but again it's just such a pain in the arse because most of the time people can't even hear the person that's calling the start

Because it is not ideal with so many people and new hosts, to back out of the lobby and go back in, we have had cases where one or two people have disconnected from this and are unable to get back in.

With 40 minutes between races we will be allowing a break inbetween (5 minutes) but I don't believe a full lobby reset is the best option, I'd like to keep everyone in one place to make it easier.

All the host has to do is back out and take everyone with him and then start a new game and everyone goes back in again then take a 5 min break so if anyone has disconnected they know the host will re invite them and everyone gets a wee rest. The EGT should be standing starts it just gives us another challenge and throw in a pitstop in one race or both.

Either way we can't properly do rolling starts with the lag that was about last Sunday. So if I HAD to choose one of them it would be the TCC style start.

It is not "all he has to do is back out and reinvite" that is the issue.

It is backing out, someone gets dropped, and is unable to get back in, I don't want to risk someones entire evening because of this.

If rolling starts are not prefered, grid starts are another don't forget, either way all possible options have their Con's and Pro's.

The TCC style start was very confusing for new drivers and drivers that didn't have English as their 1st language. The time it may take to get the races going could be longer than making a new lobby plus remember theres only a max of 3 race starts per race.

Also changing from a standing start to rolling start kind of screws anybody in a porsche or ferrari. I knew it was a standing start & I picked the ferrari because it is quick off the line. I'm sure that I am not the only one that decided to pick one of these cars because they are quick off the line

Taking longer to start a race is better than losing someone through actions which are not theirs, if it means getting the race going better and with everyone, then that is what will happen... if it is voted of course.

Rolling start means all cars set off at an even pace, but those who picked through launch lose their advantage.

Standing start means all cars can set off from a designated time, but risk those with better launches having a collision through passing into turn 1.

Race reset means we risk losing people, I in all honesty can not allow this as an option, I agree it is a LOT simplier on paper, but can we honestly trust Forza's lobby system and XBL connectivity week after week to work for us.

In the past if someone dropped out we tired to get them in and if it wasn't working after a say 2/3 tires we went as theres drivers waiting for a race to start. Thats what the 5 min window could be used for as the other drivers will know the race wont start till the 5 mins have passed so there not sitting there wondering when it will the race will start.

My idea starting for the evening would be. (Probably already been said.)

Qualifying results sorted in a lap of Motegi speedway.
Race 1: Standing start from the get go. (Like we had) 30mins of racing.

Small break in between races (5mins) will give guys a pee break and who knows what else before race 2. Also means hosts and go though the grid or make any notes etc.

Race 2: Standing start with Reverse grid or Results of race 1 I don't mind. On pace lap form up the starting order etc. 40mins of racing.

The stewards were hot on jump starts in TCC so I don't suppose there will be an issue?
Thats my idea but I am happy that you guys are giving your ideas.  

If you really wanted race 2 could be a rolling start to help make wee gaps in the pack so the faster lads can try overtaking...

Steven's idea is bang on the money

Id add a pitstop in race 2 to stevens idea and id vote for that.

VAMR Wilson wrote:In the past if someone dropped out we tired to get them in and if it wasn't working after a say 2/3 tires we went as theres drivers waiting for a race to start..

So we're punishing the driver who was already in but has now been lost because of an action the host had to take via orders.

That is what I mean, I don't want ANYONE to lose out, and this is the risk I cannot take mate.

Steven's idea is what I agree with, if that's what people want, that's what we'll do, see how the vote pans out but I think his summary is the best course of action.

HCR Mad Dog wrote:Steven's idea is bang on the money

What can I say.  


I like this pit stop idea though. Make both races similar but totally different I like that.     

COMBINED LOBBY POINTS!

HCR Mad Dog wrote:Also changing from a standing start to rolling start kind of screws anybody in a porsche or ferrari. I knew it was a standing start & I picked the ferrari because it is quick off the line. I'm sure that I am not the only one that decided to pick one of these cars because they are quick off the line

But the Porsche and Ferrari are not supposed to have such an advantage of the line. None of these cars are supposed to do a standing start, they're not build that way. The cars having a disadvantage or an advantage is all because of the game itself. Cars like the Porsche and Ferrari will still have a good start with a rolling start, but the advantage isn't that huge anymore.

Otherwise we might as well do a standing start in the next LMP series.  

LMR WARSPITE wrote:

VAMR Wilson wrote:In the past if someone dropped out we tired to get them in and if it wasn't working after a say 2/3 tires we went as theres drivers waiting for a race to start..

So we're punishing the driver who was already in but has now been lost because of an action the host had to take via orders.

That is what I mean, I don't want ANYONE to lose out, and this is the risk I cannot take mate.

Steven's idea is what I agree with, if that's what people want, that's what we'll do, see how the vote pans out but I think his summary is the best course of action.

Hell no...backing out if the room ALWAYS boots someone. ALWAYS. To say we wait five minutes and go without them is bogus.

The simplest way to do this is first race grid lap standing start at specific time. This is a proven system that works every time. When the race is over...reverse the grid, wait 5 minutes and hit go. Race 2 starts from 3,2,1. Doesn't get any easier, more stable or less hassle than that.

XPR ChicaiN wrote:

LMR WARSPITE wrote:

VAMR Wilson wrote:In the past if someone dropped out we tired to get them in and if it wasn't working after a say 2/3 tires we went as theres drivers waiting for a race to start..

So we're punishing the driver who was already in but has now been lost because of an action the host had to take via orders.

That is what I mean, I don't want ANYONE to lose out, and this is the risk I cannot take mate.

Steven's idea is what I agree with, if that's what people want, that's what we'll do, see how the vote pans out but I think his summary is the best course of action.

Hell no...backing out if the room ALWAYS boots someone. ALWAYS. To say we wait five minutes and go without them is bogus.

The simplest way to do this is first race grid lap standing start at specific time. This is a proven system that works every time. When the race is over...reverse the grid, wait 5 minutes and hit go. Race 2 starts from 3,2,1. Doesn't get any easier, more stable or less hassle than that.

That actually works, Race 1 you set the grid in the race but rather than rolling on like ISCC, you start from grid.

Race 2 you change the settings to "Ascending" and go from the standing start just like last week's race BUT it's in an order.

Well...that gets my vote, maybe increase the laps by 2 or 3, no pit stops though.

LMR WARSPITE wrote:

XPR ChicaiN wrote:

LMR WARSPITE wrote:

VAMR Wilson wrote:In the past if someone dropped out we tired to get them in and if it wasn't working after a say 2/3 tires we went as theres drivers waiting for a race to start..

So we're punishing the driver who was already in but has now been lost because of an action the host had to take via orders.

That is what I mean, I don't want ANYONE to lose out, and this is the risk I cannot take mate.

Steven's idea is what I agree with, if that's what people want, that's what we'll do, see how the vote pans out but I think his summary is the best course of action.

Hell no...backing out if the room ALWAYS boots someone. ALWAYS. To say we wait five minutes and go without them is bogus.

The simplest way to do this is first race grid lap standing start at specific time. This is a proven system that works every time. When the race is over...reverse the grid, wait 5 minutes and hit go. Race 2 starts from 3,2,1. Doesn't get any easier, more stable or less hassle than that.

That actually works, Race 1 you set the grid in the race but rather than rolling on like ISCC, you start from grid.

Race 2 you change the settings to "Ascending" and go from the standing start just like last week's race BUT it's in an order.

Well...that gets my vote, maybe increase the laps by 2 or 3, no pit stops though.

Well why not just to the gridding up lap on the Twin Ring and then? Short lap etc. I like the rest of the idea. I'd vote for that.

Because the grid lap on motegi counts as points towards the lobby, meaning when you reverse the grid for race 2, it won't be "reverse".