MSA TORA Daytona 24H - General Discussion

DizzyCupid519 wrote:Why the 4 stop rtule if you think it can 3 stop? Or is it because you are talking **** just so the Bentley can dominate the races.

3 stop and bentleys win ? 4 stops and ferrari and audi comes into play.

after bejmg annoyied at it at first theres npt alot we can do with a flawed fuel system.

I see where the rule is coming from
It could help he audi/ferrari
But I do think the tyre saving or strategy goes out the window TBH and the cars with a stuggling team/driver could be negative.....

I'm now 50/50 with this rule but hesitant

The rule change sounds like a great option (on paper)to me for a few reasons: One because it helps other cars be competitive and makes the Bentley make an "extra" pit stop. I'm not sure if you guys know how to drive the Bentley way more conservative or just have an amazing tune, but my team will only get 15 laps of fuel. So by my calculations the Bentley will be driving on fumes by the final minute of the stint on 4 pit stops so unless I don't know how to drive a car, then this change is completely fine for it add no extra pit stop for the Bentley.

Jesus F*ck
we had the exact same thing happen on Forza 4, the Lambo couldn't do a full stint on fuel so a mandatory pit stop was added, and it worked fine!
The fuel system on this game is 'slightly' shorter than on 4, but it's the exact same principle, you can still have your pit strategy with 4 stops, whether you do a shorter stint at the start, middle or end, and then run out the rest at full length or whathever.

I am driving the SLS because it was a great car, had the pace and good fuel mileage (compared to others), yet I'm ok with mandated pit stops. Until Forza gets it's fuel [Censored] worked out, this is the best solution for this race so get over it or drop out, easy as that...

The only thing I am not liking about the mandated pit stop is that it was added 1 week out from the race... It could have been worse (two days before) but this is the only real issue with it that I have, but it's not a major issue anyways...

That's insane fuel mileage on the Bentley. You could very nearly 2 stop a stint with 30 laps range lol

30 minutes not 30 laps

LMR Deftone MX wrote:Do you guys want to remove the rule and watch the Bentley do 3 stops? You can learn in the race or learn now. It's up to you.

YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMR Deftone MX wrote:30 minutes not 30 laps

Ha ha.

First, I'd like to add that I've gotten a hair over 28 minutes out of the Bentley on a fuel run. That should be proof enough, but it won't satisfy everyone. So, that brings me to my second point...

Alright, ladies and gentleman. Here's a simple math lesson from an engineering student:

A stint's running time is 1 hour and 45 minutes, or 105 minutes. The stint will actually be a minute or two shorter due to gridding up, but we'll keep it at 1:45 to keep the numbers nice. Let's say I can do a 1:44.000 every single lap. We all know this is possible, but not very plausible. Again, I'm using it to have a nice, round number that's within the realm of laps we're doing (I KNOW someone would question me if I chose a 1:45.000, and say that's too slow, so I chose 1:44.000). I just timed a pit stop at a 26 second combined loss on the entry and exit laps. With these conditions established, let's crunch the numbers...

I hear most people claiming they can only do 15 laps in the Bentley. That would put you at precisely 26 minutes of elapsed time. If you need to make 3 stops, then you'll have 4 fuel runs: Run-Pit-Run-Pit-Run-Pit-Run. From a simple calculation, we find that (26 minutes)*4 is 104 minutes over a whole stint. Add in the 3 pit stops, and that equals 105 minutes and 18 seconds, or 1:45:18.

Oh wait, isn't a stint 1:45:00? And isn't 1:45:18 longer than that?

Yes, and yes.

Furthermore, if we actually factor in the gridding up portion of the race in the infield that often saves enough fuel to allow for an extra lap in most cars, and if we consider the fact that hardly anyone will be averaging a 1:44.000 in the race (the only people who have even BEATEN that time are the ones confirming that the Bentley can complete a stint on 3 stops), then it's safe to say you can complete a stint in the Bentley on 3 stops as long as you pit on schedule.

Final thing I'm going to say on this. Don't look at this from a leaders point of view it doesn't matter for them whether they do 3 or 4 stops there still gonna be on top. But for all the guys in the middle to back of each lobby fuel strategy is key for them adding the extra stop. For example if a car that can run 3 pits and make it is behind a car that can't they can theoretically never make the ground up because they also will have to pit.

Not true. Since each car has to make 4 stops now, opens up variations on pit strategies. The cars that had to make 4 BARELY had to do so - they'd be running out with 10 minutes or less to go if they ran out, or you could space out your stops and pit at strategic intervals since 4 stops had to be made anyway. With the rule change, any car can do that now. You could pit in the first 15 minutes if you wanted, and then take your other 3 stops at your own discretion.

Not everyone is a 1:43 and 1:44 consistent driver. Not just the ones who will most likely contend for the win

Sound like there should just be a poll of the drivers competing since there's so much division on the subject.

Just for a future note if their is any more amendments to any other races can be be announced more than a day before we have to have car choices in.

Lap times have nothing to do with this. In fact, if you're running slower laps, you're taking a longer time between pit stops, so that's even less time you have to worry about lasting.

My point is that not only are pit stops even now, but each car can choose a different pit strategy to suit different situations in the race.

Someone else stated that only 2 Audis have entered and there has yet to be a Ferrari entry, so I doubt anyone was relying on beating those cars solely on a fuel run. Besides, the cars are fairly equal on pace, and now that they're equal on fuel, the race results will come down to the three most important factors: driver skill, strategy, and a bit of luck, just like every other successful endurance race we've had.

As for the amendment, that was done to appease a discrepancy in another thread. If the car choices don't change, no one is adversely affected, and the Audi drivers are no longer in a hole. Staying in your car won't hurt you one bit.

If I sound like an ass then so bit it but why does everyone have to hear from you on everything. What we asking and talking about and to is the heads of the series. Your an LMP driver if I'm correct. so why are you even butting in on a GT discussion.

because he was one of the people who made the builds for EVERY car in the series...

Because everyone deserves to be able to put in their 2 cents, regardless of what class.
And Erebus is dead on.

Joe, I can understand if hearing from the same person can get old, but everything he's saying is fact. You have to take it for what it is.

LMR Deftone MX wrote:Guys, the Bentley will do 3 stops easily. The Viper, Corvette etc will as well. Making them do an extra gives no advantage to any of them. They're all having to do something they don't need to. All this does is brings cars unlikely to be chosen, purely because they can't do 3 stops into the contingency. If you opted out of the Ferrari or Audi for this reason, you still have time to change. I'm sorry if that causes you extra work repainting, but that's a choice you'll have to make.

Bottom line, this doesn't help the Bentley at all. If anything, it hurts it as I feel the 458 may actually be outright faster.

Collin is correct. The Bentley, Vette, Viper, McLaren and Mercedes do 3 stoppers. Out of those cars, the Bentley is the fastest by far while also being faster than the rest of the other cars. The only other car that comes close or level with it is the Ferrari so we've now brought more cars into contention. The fourth stop benefits everybody and doesn't affect anything here. It puts everyone on the same amount of pit stops while allowing all cars to battle against one another.

Stating how the registration looks right now is not a good indication of how things will go. We are likely to stick two Ferrari's now into this because we hated the Bentley which should make things interesting.

Additionally, and Deftone wanted me to chip in with this; i've done a lot of testing for fuel. A lot more than a chunk of you guys combined and I did it all while conversing with Turn10 and sharing data with them.

What the staff here have tried to do is put everyone on the same level and that's exactly what they have done. I quite simply do not understand how anyone has a gripe about this. There is plenty of strategy for people and for those of you who could not 3 stop it in your car, you are now in par with the guys who could. This all comes down to pace, consistency and race craft and takes fuel out of the equation. Harmonic hit the nail on his head with his comments and the aim here is to even things out for everyone. We've already had this issue elsewhere and it was resolved with mandatory pits. Now everyone is on the same level. Go ask the guys who got shafted in GT3 by doing an extra pit stop. It's not nice.

Lastly, there are so many factors that help with fuel conservation which range from:

Final drive
How many times you tap the analog to turn
Traction control eats fuel!
Aero
Short shifting
Drafting

The list goes on! Before anybody questions the staff they need to have tested the cars considerably and I have done this. You can 3 stop in the Bentley easily and easily because you've tuned, tested and been conventional in your approach. Everyone should be thanking the staff for implementing this.

Can I ask if the Bentley can do a 3 stop "easily" why are the Bentley driver's the ones who like this rule. Oh yeah because it can't 3 stop and they want to script the races.

DizzyCupid519 wrote:Can I ask if the Bentley can do a 3 stop "easily" why are the Bentley driver's the ones who like this rule. Oh yeah because it can't 3 stop and they want to script the races.

By what measure? I am driving a SLS and I am backing this rule change. If all the cars are doing the same amount of stops then the raw pace of the cars is what we see. Yes raw pace of the not human guys will shine though I agree on that. However I'd prefer to have more cars closer together personally .

im in the Viper as it stands atm, and i dont see no 1 in that car yet it does 3 stops and also Harmonic can do just as quick as he can in the Bentley why is that car not been Slammed, why is the Ferrari not been slammed or the SLS stop ya whining and get on with it, pick the car you want, and just go, fck me seriously, this is a race, if you wanna be competitive pick the car everyone else does, but wait it requires Driver Skill, able to tune the Car to be as quick as they have got it, if ya cant hack the fact your not as quick as Breeze, Harmonic or Deftone or any other people doing 43s get the fck out and race with people you can beat, i dont care if i get beat, i find racing faster drivers makes me a faster driver overtime, as some people know here, i have come a long way since first joining, and ShrinkingSteven Fck me hes come a long way aswell Dam this bitching and whining gets old very quickly.

ShrinkingSteven wrote:

DizzyCupid519 wrote:Can I ask if the Bentley can do a 3 stop "easily" why are the Bentley driver's the ones who like this rule. Oh yeah because it can't 3 stop and they want to script the races.

By what measure?  I am driving a SLS and I am backing this rule change. If all the cars are doing the same amount of stops then the raw pace of the cars is what we see. Yes raw pace of the not human guys will shine though I agree on that. However I'd prefer to have more cars closer together personally .

it's not a bloody sprint race it's an endurance race! It's meant to be who can go the fastest over 16 laps it MEANT TO be who can go fastest over the 24 hour race. If you want a sprint race that is even and fair join formula e. Oh wait it's a fair race!