Re: MSA TORA Daytona 24H - General Discussion

by **AdamWatson99** Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 20:24

WRA JoeVIR wrote:My team noticed that the Bentley is 2 laps shorter on fuel than the Viper and Corvette and maybe the Mercedes. Wouldn't adding the mandatory 4 stop basically turn the GT section into a Bentley show.
I say that because like my car is the Viper, now with adding the extra stop I have no advantage over anyone running the Bentley. Which is by far the better car.

Just can someone explain why we need to do that.

I agree, it will turn into a Bentley show adding the 4th stop. Cars that might not be as quick aka BMW for example might be better on fuel so it keeps them in the mix. It makes for better racing if the 4th stop weren't there because depending on how hard you drive might mean more than just the Bentley will have to make a 4th stop

by **AdamWatson99** Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 20:26

LMR Harmonic wrote: Here's the issue with that: we were able to balance the LMP cars' pace based on fuel economy - we can't do that with the GTs since they're all so close. If a car has to make a 4th stop, saving fuel will end up costing you more time than just taking another stop due to Forza's flawed fuel system.

I can see where your coming from but I think if its just 1 car that has to make the 4th stop then why should the rest. the people in the Bentley should have to work around the flaws of their car to get the best result

by WRA JoeVIR Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 21:03

LMR Deftone MX wrote:So in theory, the Bentley, Viper, Vette, Merc are unaffected.. It simply brings the blindingly quick Ferrari and Audi into contingency.

I understand what your trying to convey here, but as I looked at registration there are only 2 Audi teams and no Ferrari teams. The Audi team looks to have been set at least a week ago so they must have been content with having to make the extra stop. I would say that we get rid of this mandatory pitting and those who feel there cars aren't competitive because of it change cars they still have time to do so.

by LMR Deftone MX Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 21:24

Guys, the Bentley will do 3 stops easily. The Viper, Corvette etc will as well. Making them do an extra gives no advantage to any of them. They're all having to do something they don't need to. All this does is brings cars unlikely to be chosen, purely because they can't do 3 stops into the contingency. If you opted out of the Ferrari or Audi for this reason, you still have time to change. I'm sorry if that causes you extra work repainting, but that's a choice you'll have to make.

Bottom line, this doesn't help the Bentley at all. If anything, it hurts it as I feel the 458 may actually be outright faster.

by LMR Deftone MX Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 21:26

Please, no more.

Let's look forward to the event and put this to rest. Not everyone can be please, but this decision will stand at the very least for this race. If you still feel different after the race, I'm happy to look into other solutions with you for future rounds.

by WRA Tower Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 21:51

I don't know who's telling you guys the Bentley can make it on three stops but the math don't add up. It has to pit at approximately 15 laps and at a 1:45 lap time thats approximately 25 minutes that puts it pitting at the 25m...50m...1hr15m...and 1h40m marks. Now most guys will be going faster so those numbers will go away from your objective of a 3 stop race. Not to mention we've tested it extensively and not one member of our team has been able to make it on 3 stops, They always come up short. Seems to me you guys wanna run an endurance race with sprint rules and that completely defeats the purpose of this style of racing. Fuel mileage is as big if not a bigger factor in endurance racing than overall speed. A car lets say 1 sec slower makes up that time through less stops and Sometimes the turtle wins the race. I honestly believe some guys just wanna run the fastest car and hotlap an endurance to put up big numbers but suddenly realized here at the 25th hour their strategy is flawed.

by LMR Deftone MX Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 21:55

The Bentley absolutely goes further than 25 minutes. We've made it go as far as 30.. Without trying, 28.

by LMR Deftone MX Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 22:01

If the Bentley was not capable of 3 stops, then you'd be right. However that is not the case.

by DonatedSatyr227 Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 22:08

AdamWatson99 wrote:i don't think there should be a 4th stop, as it should be up to the driver on whether you decide to run it 100% or save fuel. adding the 4th stop will make it follow the leader/car ahead and not make a race that will be enjoyable. GT's should be like the LMP cars . If you pick a car that uses more fuel like the Nissan for LMP or Bentley for GT then you might make another stop, it was your choice picking that car so you should have to run with its flaws. No one forced you to choose that car

I agree with Adam on this I think it is stupid but end off the day its the staff members who make the rules. If drivers and teams don't like it then it will be the staff members who made decision to enforce 4 pit stops that will get it in the neck.

by WRA Tower Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 22:13

LMR Deftone MX wrote:The Bentley absolutely goes further than 25 minutes. We've made it go as far as 30.. Without trying, 28.

With all do respect I find that incredibly hard to believe. I just simply dont see how your getting 17-18 laps outta that car when for a almost a month now the max I've seen anybody go is and that was sputtering onto pitlane. Your saving over 10 miles of fuel in a single run. I honestly would have to see a game clip of the full stint to believe it. And if you are doing that then mad props to you and your skills.

by WRA Tower Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 22:15

WRA Tower wrote:
LMR Deftone MX wrote:The Bentley absolutely goes further than 25 minutes. We've made it go as far as 30.. Without trying, 28.

With all do respect I find that incredibly hard to believe. I just simply dont see how your getting 17-18 laps outta that car when for a almost a month now the max I've seen anybody go is 15 and that was sputtering onto pitlane. Your saving over 10 miles of fuel in a single run. I honestly would have to see a game clip of the full stint to believe it. And if you are doing that then mad props to you and your skills.

by **PTG Chungus** Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 22:22

This is a load of Bull [Censored].
The rules are being bent to ensure a win for the Bentley.
I find this really dumb to be frank and who ever is doing this is making it a win win for the bently ands biased you never done this for TCC to help other cars nor other major series.

If this rule is being enforced then I suggest teams that disagree voice it

Absoloute wank

by WRA JoeVIR Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 22:27

^^^^ Agree totally

by LMR Deftone MX Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 22:28

I don't know what else to say guys.

Take out this rule, Bentley's WILL do 3 stops and they'll be even stronger than they are now.

Nova watch your choice of words please.

by LMR Deftone MX Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 22:29

If you didn't choose the Bentley because you thought it would have to make an extra stop, you were destined to be in for a surprise.

by BAM Leigh Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 22:42

This is made to make the Bentley win every race. Now the Bentley is fastest over a lap and now doesn't have a to make an extra pit stop. It's an endurance race!! You pick the car that you think will be fastest over a long length of time. Not a car that is fastest over a lap then twist the rules to your advantage.

by LMR Deftone MX Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 22:42

DizzyCupid519 wrote:This is made to make the Bentley win every race. Now the Bentley is fastest over a lap and now doesn't have a to make an extra pit stop. It's an endurance race!! You pick the car that you think will be fastest over a long length of time. Not a car that is fastest over a lap then twist the rules to your advantage.

Are you reading what I'm writing?

by **BigBen13x** Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 22:46

I don't understand why people are getting so upset about this. The purpose of the rule change was only to increase the competition in the GT class allowing the Audi and Ferrari to be more competitive. Having everyone do four stops is a way of working around Forza 6's slightly confusing fuel system.

You all have to admit that having 7 Bentley teams that chose the car because of its performance means that something is wrong with what we were doing and a change was necessary. The rule will affect all of the cars; not just one.

Lastly, Deftone knows a lot about the Bentley since he's been driving it a lot the last few months. If he says it does 3 stops, then I believe him.

That's all I will say on the matter.

by LMR Deftone MX Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 22:50

Furthermore... If you guys read the rules like you're suppose to you'd see that builds are being assessed for each round of the series. So saying the Bentley will win every race is quite frankly, very ignorant.

by LRT Dan Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 22:58

I can 100% confirm the Bentley will 3 stop. Its surprising how good it is on fuel.

by BAM Leigh Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 23:05

Why the 4 stop rule if you think it can 3 stop? Or is it because you are talking **** just so the Bentley can dominate the races.

by LMR MountainMan Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 23:09

No it's so the cars like the Audi and Ferrari will be more competitive as they struggle on fuel, but you'd know that if you'd being paying attention.

by LMR Deftone MX Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 23:11

Do you guys want to remove the rule and watch the Bentley do 3 stops? You can learn in the race or learn now. It's up to you.

by dave sp2 Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 23:12

Bring back forza 4!!!!!!!

by LMR Deftone MX Thu 14 Jan 2016 - 23:13

I'd also like to remind everyone that these stints are 105 minutes. Not 120!

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