MSA TORA Daytona 24H - General Discussion

*it's not a bloody sprint race it's an endurance race! It's not meant to be who can go the fastest over 16 laps it MEANT TO be who can go fastest over the 24 hour race. If you want a sprint race that is even and fair join formula e. Oh wait it's a fair race
 

 

 

DizzyCupid519 wrote:
*it's not a bloody sprint race it's an endurance race! It's not meant to be who can go the fastest over 16 laps it MEANT TO be who can go fastest over the 24 hour race. If you want a sprint race that is even and fair join formula e. Oh wait it's a fair race
 

 

 

I agree and stated the very same fact earlier in the thread...BTW I'm still waiting on that full stint game clip that proves you can run the Bentley 17-18 laps flat out on the track by itself on a load of fuel. Cause as previously stated in all of the Forza community you guys are the only one claiming it can be done. And I'll repeat this too it seems only the teams that have already chosen the Bentley are defending this decision I'M NOT saying it that it can't be done or saying you guys are lying but I've never seen it in all the of testing we've done or in any other GT series being ran by any other sites and for me to believe it I'll need to see it with my own eyes. You post a that clip proving it can be done and your decision to modify the rules at the 25th hour is vindicated and all this back and forth bickering goes away instantly.

F4H Chrisupra wrote:Lastly, there are so many factors that help with fuel conservation which range from:

Final drive
How many times you tap the analog to turn
Traction control eats fuel!
Aero
Short shifting
Drafting

If there is a difference, it's minimal with a lot of these factors and the fact that lift and coast isn't even mentioned speaks quite a lot for the games fuel use calculation.

Scav3nger wrote:

F4H Chrisupra wrote:Lastly, there are so many factors that help with fuel conservation which range from:

Final drive
How many times you tap the analog to turn
Traction control eats fuel!
Aero
Short shifting
Drafting

If there is a difference, it's minimal with a lot of these factors and the fact that lift and coast isn't even mentioned speaks quite a lot for the games fuel use calculation.

There is a difference. I'm not going to bullet point every single thing that affects fuel. I suggest you test but thankfully, you won't have to in this race because the staff have been kind enough to equal the field.

WRA Tower wrote:

DizzyCupid519 wrote:
*it's not a bloody sprint race it's an endurance race! It's not meant to be who can go the fastest over 16 laps it MEANT TO be who can go fastest over the 24 hour race. If you want a sprint race that is even and fair join formula e. Oh wait it's a fair race
 

 

 

I agree and stated the very same fact earlier in the thread...BTW I'm still waiting on that full stint game clip that proves you can run the Bentley 17-18 laps flat out on the track by itself on a load of fuel. Cause as previously stated in all of the Forza community you guys are the only one claiming it can be done. And I'll repeat this too it seems only the teams that have already chosen the Bentley are defending this decision I'M NOT saying it that it can't be done or saying you guys are lying but I've never seen it in all the of testing we've done or in any other GT series being ran by any other sites and for me to believe it I'll need to see it with my own eyes. You post a that clip proving it can be done and your decision to modify the rules at the 25th hour is vindicated and all this back and forth bickering goes away instantly.

I claim it too and so does all of F4H. We have a testing sheet and everyone could make 5 cars do 3 stops, including the Bentley.

Guys, Chris has tested for MULTIPLE series for these cars, and he probably has more experience in any given GT car than any given one that you've chosen. I already ran the numbers PROVING it was capable of a 3 stop stint. This rule was added SOLELY to make the Ferarri and R8 LMS competitive. Just because YOU can't make it do 3 laps doesn't mean it WON'T do 3 laps.

Let's recall the TURN N12. The Viper was one of a seldom few cars that could possibly get 4 laps on a tank of fuel, yet some people couldn't do it. Some drivers went all out and made it 4 laps, and some drivers ran out of fuel before making it to the pits even while using fuel conserving strategies!

What's my point? People have done 3 stop-worthy fuel runs in every car except the 458 and R8. If you aren't able to do so, you are greedy on the throttle, and you need to improve your throttle management.

Why has this even been an issue. Im am the first to question things if it seems not right, this is to make it equal for EVERYONE not to make it easier for the Bentley. If you cant do 3 stops that is down to your driving style. alot of people have managed to 3 stop in it. Its like your mad at him making it more fair. And this also allows people to plan a strategy in their stints which i think is better as it allows you to change mid race if need be.

To the points above;

At the N12, all of F4H could complete 4 laps in the Wix A Class Merc except me and F4H Xyloto. It was a pain in my ass. I kept running out on the long straight on the fourth lap and I rolled into the pits at 40mph with no fuel or spluttering. We had the same tunes, same assists, same everything but I couldn't put my finger on it so I began testing. At the same time I reached out to some contacts at Turn10 and we began crunching some numbers and trying new things. They, like me, couldn't understand it.

After about 150+ laps of the ring (the big version) and I [Censored] you not, I calculated I spent over 1.5 days in total testing fuel, I finally figured out what was needed. What happened in the end? I was able to make the car go into the pits with 1% left over and maintain my laptimes. What was my reward? I qualified first in my class and we won the event. After spending that amount of time, you'd certainly hope to win!!! But I tested and put the time in over a long period. I suggest you guys do the same. If you just jump into the car and do 30 laps and come to your conclusions straight away then I know you've not done enough.

You get out of it what you put in.

The Bentley can three stop. I just went 16 laps in it, flat out, trying to use as much fuel as I could. You're going to do about 60 laps in GT, so could stop at 16, 32, 48, and have fuel for the end. This is why the 4 stop rule was brought in, so it didn't alienate the cars (F458, R8) that are worse on fuel. Also, it brings in some ADDITIONAL strategy, so you can actually plan when you pit rather than depend on when you're going to run out of fuel; you have a slightly larger window to pit than before.

If you think the organizers want to "script" the race, you should really sit down and think about this. The 24 Hours of Daytona marks the return of the most popular Forza league event ever, so why on earth would you do something to jeopardize the integrity of it? Just think about it.

Fact is these guys (Deftone, Chrisupra, Harmonic, Breeze) have arguably done more testing in these cars than anyone else put together, so if they say it can be done, it can be done, simple as that.

If I was in the Bentley (I'm not racing) and wanted to increase my chances of winning, I'd be against this rule. That way, I didn't have to worry about the 458 or R8 as they'd have to make an extra stop then me. Other then that, it makes ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE.

A variety of people have explained this a variety of ways. If you still don't like it, tough.

F4H Diablo wrote:The Bentley can three stop. I just went 16 laps in it, flat out, trying to use as much fuel as I could. You're going to do about 60 laps in GT, so could stop at 16, 32, 48, and have fuel for the end. This is why the 4 stop rule was brought in, so it didn't alienate the cars (F458, R8) that are worse on fuel. Also, it brings in some ADDITIONAL strategy, so you can actually plan when you pit rather than depend on when you're going to run out of fuel; you have a slightly larger window to pit than before.

If you think the organizers want to "script" the race, you should really sit down and think about this. The 24 Hours of Daytona marks the return of the most popular Forza league event ever, so why on earth would you do something to jeopardize the integrity of it? Just think about it.

Fact is these guys (Deftone, Chrisupra, Harmonic, Breeze) have arguably done more testing in these cars than anyone else put together, so if they say it can be done, it can be done, simple as that.

First and foremost I never said it couldn't be done and Im not all bent outta shape that the rules changed but we have done extensive testing and based my thoughts on the max numbers I've seen. No members of our team or any other friends of the team could do it on three stops with the Bentley. And if you'll check the registration you'll see we have a team in the Bentley and one in the Viper. We chose this strategy cause with one car running speed and the other running a fuel strategy the cars basically ended relatively close. After pouring over the forums the main underlying issue and everyone's concern is if all this testing has been done then... and here it is...Why is the change being made so late if this was known as you and others have stated. And originally I simply asked for the game clip cause mainly and selfishly I wanna see it cause I've yet to see the Bentley go that far AND it would've ended this debate 24hrs ago. And on a personal note I was born raised and lived for over 30 years less than 15 miles away from the Daytona International Speedway. I have attended the 24hr 17 times to me its the greatest place on Earth so I could really care less who's driving what I'll drive a stock tuned MX-5 against all the GT and LMP cars and finish *500 miles behind all of you and be just as happy and get just as much enjoyment out if it if not more than everybody else participating.

WRA Tower wrote:
First and foremost I never said it couldn't be done and Im not all bent outta shape that the rules changed but we have done extensive testing and based my thoughts on the max numbers I've seen. No members of our team or any other friends of the team could  do it on three stops with the Bentley. And if you'll check the registration you'll see we have a team in the Bentley and one in the Viper. We chose this strategy cause with one car running speed and the other running a fuel strategy the cars basically ended relatively close. After pouring over the forums the main underlying issue and everyone's concern is if all this testing has been done then... and here it is...Why is the change being made so late if this was known as you and others have stated. And originally I simply asked for the game clip cause mainly and selfishly I wanna see it cause I've yet to see the Bentley go that far AND it would've ended this debate 24hrs ago. And on a personal note I was born raised and lived for over 30 years less than 15 miles away from the Daytona International Speedway. I have attended  the 24hr 17 times  to me its the greatest place on Earth so I could really care less who's driving what I'll drive a stock tuned MX-5 against all the GT and LMP cars and finish *500 miles behind all of you and be just as happy and get just as much enjoyment out if it if not more than everybody else participating.

Add me on Xbox. We will be testing later and you can see it first hand. To that point, any of you are welcome to join our daily testing sessions.

If you're doing 4 stops in the Bentley, you've not done enough testing. Sorry but you haven't tried everything.

Talk to your team Tower. WRA Glory had LMR JadedRaver try his tune last night. We informed him of why we thought his tune might be having trouble.

F4H Chrisupra wrote:

WRA Tower wrote:
First and foremost I never said it couldn't be done and Im not all bent outta shape that the rules changed but we have done extensive testing and based my thoughts on the max numbers I've seen. No members of our team or any other friends of the team could  do it on three stops with the Bentley. And if you'll check the registration you'll see we have a team in the Bentley and one in the Viper. We chose this strategy cause with one car running speed and the other running a fuel strategy the cars basically ended relatively close. After pouring over the forums the main underlying issue and everyone's concern is if all this testing has been done then... and here it is...Why is the change being made so late if this was known as you and others have stated. And originally I simply asked for the game clip cause mainly and selfishly I wanna see it cause I've yet to see the Bentley go that far AND it would've ended this debate 24hrs ago. And on a personal note I was born raised and lived for over 30 years less than 15 miles away from the Daytona International Speedway. I have attended  the 24hr 17 times  to me its the greatest place on Earth so I could really care less who's driving what I'll drive a stock tuned MX-5 against all the GT and LMP cars and finish *500 miles behind all of you and be just as happy and get just as much enjoyment out if it if not more than everybody else participating.

Add me on Xbox. We will be testing later and you can see it first hand. To that point, any of you are welcome to join our daily testing sessions.

If you're doing 4 stops in the Bentley, you've not done enough testing. Sorry but you haven't tried everything.

I would love to get some practice in this weekend. I need some experience with GT cars on the field since I don't drive LMPs that often in these kinds of events. If you have room, let me know when you guys usually test.

Absolutely. Just add me on Xbox and if you see me online, I'll most likely be with our crew.

F4H Chrisupra wrote:Absolutely. Just add me on Xbox and if you see me online, I'll most likely be with our crew.

Awesome! I'll add you now but don't get home until later.

Same. I'm EST and still in work. Another few hours!

Omega add me up aswell if u want dude, i generally try and get a bunch off us on when im around at night and generally stream it, so yeah probably see ya around at weekend im GMT dow but im a nocturnal kind of guy haha

We should get a mini gang of us together!

defo dude haha be a good laugh

For those that are still questioning the Bentley's ability to do 16 laps without pitting, here is the proof that it can be done.  I grabbed a tune off the storefront, and took the Bentley around Daytona.  This is a FULL video of the result.  If I can get the Bentley around Daytona without having to pit till lap 16 the first time I've actually driven the car, then anyone can.   I hope this ends this debate once and for all.

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Just because you cannot make it to the end of lap 16 without pitting does not mean it is not impossible to do.

Anyone hosting an open practice?

Is anyone streaming tonight

Just to make sure everyone knows about this:

LMR Deftone MX wrote:

When you finish your stint and come to a stop, immediately take a game clip (NOT a screenshot as the game pauses when you do and then we can't see the distance's (unless you have kinect and can shout for a screenshot, then that's fine)). Due to broken game chat, hosts will be doing their best to retrieve everyone's distance to the leader, but a game clip is your insurance. As it is ultimately up to you to take down your own information, failure to game clip leaves you with a risk of having no data from your stint, which we will not be responsible for crediting you.

A game clip can be taken by double clicking the Xbox Home button, then hitting X.